[I18N ITS] Teleconference Minutes 2006-12-13

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Felix


   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                        i18n ITS Working Group

13 Dec 2006

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0047.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Christian, Felix, Sebastian

   Regrets
          Yves

   Chair
          Felix

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]action items
         2. [6]test suite - Format of the result files
         3. [7]Namespace binding mechanism discussion
         4. [8]Inheritence and Override
         5. [9]Implementation status
         6. [10]AOB
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

action items

   <scribe> ACTION: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with
   without the <ns> element, using xmlns instead (PENDING) [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   Felix to explain what axes are possible with the XSLT pattern used
   in the match attributes (DONE)

   [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   043.html

     [13]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0043.html

   Sebastian: We agreed to add some prose to the spec to say "this sub
   set will make your life easier"
   ... I don't think it is a pre-condition of ITS that it must be 100%
   implementable using XSLT

   Felix: agree

   Christian: where in the spec should the note go? Editors can decide.

   <scribe> ACTION: editors to add a note to the spec about the subset
   of XPath in XSLT [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   (AI is relying on the thread at
   [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   043.html)

     [15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0043.html)

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a script which compares the results
   (DONE) [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

   [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   045.html example:

     [17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0045.html

   <fileList>

   <inputFile name="LocNote1.xml">

   <resultFile location="test2/LocNote1-result.xml"

   implementation="test2"/>

   </inputFile>

   <inputFile name="LocNote2.xml">

   <resultFile location="test2/LocNote2-result.xml"

   implementation="test2"/>

   </inputFile>

   scribe: </fileList>

   [18]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

     [18] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

   Felix: I thought of the script to use it for generating the test
   suite results, see link above
   ... in the result format, only the link to various tests is missing

   Sebastian: we need to test this to be able to see if it works

   Christian: should we make that script available on a web site?
   ... to make automatic comparison possible?

   Felix: will check

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to check if "publication" as a form of test
   report script on w3c server is possible [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   Felix: as a start, we could add a link to the script in the
   implementation report

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to add a link to the script in the
   implementation report [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

   <scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to insert some pointer-like data category
   information into the huge test file (DONE) [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]

   Felix: I need to upload the file

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example
   for Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works
   the right way (ONGOING) [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make sure to have both the ns elements and
   xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately (DONE) [recorded
   in [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]

test suite - Format of the result files

   original thread
   [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   047.html

     [24]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0047.html

   current stage of discussion at
   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   052.html

     [25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0052.html

   Sebastian: seems fine to me

   Christian: first I was worried, now I see it's an implementation
   issue, we are free to do what we want

   Felix: Yves has many test results already. It would be good to get
   his result formats , and Sebastian, Andrzej and me can see if we can
   live with them

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to extract the result format for each data
   category from his implementation and send it to the list. esp.
   Sebastian and Felix to check if they can live with Yves's proposal
   [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]

   an example choice which is necessary would be e.g. <output
   translate="yes"/> versus <output its:translate="yes"/>

Namespace binding mechanism discussion

   We need Andrzej to confirm using xmlns is fine for XMLIntl's
   implementation.

   Sebastian: nothing new to discuss

Inheritence and Override

   We need some clarification text explaining inheritance stops at
   nodes already selected by another rule.

   <scribe> ACTION: editors to write some clarification text explaining
   inheritance stops at nodes [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]

   Christian: I suggest to use a text from a mail from Sebastian, will
   look for the mail

   Felix: fine by me

Implementation status

   Sebastian: need to get results and checking with XQuery script
   ... my infrastructure and the reporting format is doing the right
   thing
   ... the implementation is called "spritser"

   Felix: hope to finish all data categories next week
   ... we need some more data for the test suite

   Sebastian: we should make sure we are comprehensive

   Felix: Yves will not implement ruby, maybe also not directionality,
   we also need test data for ruby / directionality

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to make sure we have test examples for
   direcionality and ruby [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]

AOB

   Felix: I thought of having a meeting next week and after that a 2
   weeks break

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: editors to add a note to the spec about the subset of
   XPath in XSLT [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: editors to write some clarification text explaining
   inheritance stops at nodes [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to add a link to the script in the
   implementation report [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to check if "publication" as a form of test
   report script on w3c server is possible [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to make sure we have test examples for
   direcionality and ruby [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to extract the result format for each data
   category from his implementation and send it to the list. esp.
   Sebastian and Felix to check if they can live with Yves's proposal
   [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with
   without the <ns> element, using xmlns instead (PENDING) [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example
   for Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works
   the right way [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]

   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to write a script which compares the results
   [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
   [DONE] ACTION: Sebastian to insert some pointer-like data category
   information into the huge test file [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
   [DONE] ACTION: Yves to make sure to have both the ns elements and
   xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]

   [End of minutes]
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