[I18N ITS] Teleconference Minutes 2006-12-06

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Felix


   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                        i18n ITS Working Group

6 Dec 2006

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0043.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Andrzej, Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves

   Regrets
          Richard

   Chair
          Yves

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]action items
         2. [6]CR phase: current state
         3. [7]on output format
         4. [8]getting rid of ns element?
         5. [9]Inheritence and Override
         6. [10]full xpath in selectors
         7. [11]f2f next year
         8. [12]ITS talks
         9. [13]AOB
     * [14]Summary of Action Items
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action items

   <scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to create a big test file for the ITS
   test suite (>1 MB) to test the implementation efficiency of
   namespace binding(s) (DONE) [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   Sebastian: it does not test very much, only has translate yes / no

   Felix: should we have pointer attributes in the big file?

   <scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to insert some pointer-like data category
   information into the huge test file [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

CR phase: current state

   Felix: we could request PR maybe in December, but I'd say first half
   of January is o.k. too

   Sebastian: is the namespace issue resolved? Can I change my
   implementation like that?

   Andrzej: I have to check with my team

   Yves: I work with Dom, like you do, so there should be no problem, I
   can tell you how it works

   <AZ> <its:rules its:version="1.0"
   xmlns:its="[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its">

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its

   (test data discussion)

   <AZ> <its:ns prefix="table"
   uri="[18]http://openoffice.org/2000/table"/>

     [18] http://openoffice.org/2000/table

   <AZ> <its:ns prefix="number"
   uri="[19]http://openoffice.org/2000/datastyle"/>

     [19] http://openoffice.org/2000/datastyle

   Andrzej: example is from OpenOffice ITS rules file

   <AZ> <its:translateRule selector="//chart:axis" translate="yes"/>

   Yves: you need to use the xmlns attributes instead of the <its:ns>
   element

   <scribe> ACTION: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with
   without the <ns> element, using xmlns instead [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

on output format

   Sebastian: is the output type optional?
   ... at the moment it would be complicated to support the output type

   Felix: No need to have that information

   Yves: o.k., output type is optional

   Sebastian: we need a script to compare the results

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a script which compares the results
   [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   Sebastian: can the output of nodes be different?
   ... i.e. the order of nodes? I guess not

getting rid of ns element?

   Sebastian: could we have both the ns elements and xmlns attributes
   in the test files, intermediately?

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make sure to have both the ns elements and
   xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

   <YvesS> [23]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

     [23] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

   Sebastian: test result page: Do we need success in each cell?

   Felix: we need success in two columns for each row

Inheritence and Override

   Yves: I thought lately that a local rule would override everything,
   also what is selected by a global rule directly
   ... Felix pointed out that CSS does the same as ITS currently

   Sebastian: two questions: is the interpretation correct, and is it
   clear in the spec?

   Yves: agree. It is not clear in the spec currently
   ... we also have no sample which addresses the issue

   Andrzej: we define every element explicitely
   ... we stipulate for every element what information applies for it
   ... we don't reply on inheritance

   Yves: you put labels to the tree?

   Andrzej: right

   Yves makes an example for a global rule that selects s.t. inside a
   locally specified element, e.g. locally <p>, globally <b>

   Yves: would the <b> inside <p> be overriden by the local <p> ?

   Andrzej: no

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example
   for Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works
   the right way [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]

   Sebastian: I don't see an alternative to having inheritance as a
   "second stage" thing

full xpath in selectors

   see
   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   044.html

     [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0044.html

   Sebastian: should we have a subset of XPath in XSLT?

   Felix: hard to test, maybe

   Yves: how about having this as a best practice?

   Sebastian: if the rule is simple and easy to understand we could
   just add it

   Felix: should this be a note or normative text?

   Sebastian: depends on how complex this his

   [26]http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#NT-Pattern

     [26] http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#NT-Pattern

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to explain what axes are possible with the
   XSLT pattern used in the match attributes [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]

f2f next year

   Yves: if you have ideas, please propose them

ITS talks

   Yves: thanks to Christian to the talk at TEKOM

   Christian: thanks, the talks made clear that ITS is known, people
   are waiting for commercial tools

AOB

   Adjourn

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with
   without the <ns> element, using xmlns instead [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to explain what axes are possible with the XSLT
   pattern used in the match attributes [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to write a script which compares the results
   [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Sebastian to insert some pointer-like data category
   information into the huge test file [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example for
   Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works the
   right way [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to make sure to have both the ns elements and
   xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

   [DONE] ACTION: Sebastian to create a big test file for the ITS test
   suite (>1 MB) to test the implementation efficiency of namespace
   binding(s) [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]
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