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[Minutes] ITS IG call 2014-03-12

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 15:30:05 +0100
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http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html

and below as text.

- Felix


    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

                                  ITS IG

12 Mar 2014

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Mar/0007.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Yves, ankit, david, fsasaki, jirka, pedro, philr

    Regrets
           pablo

    Chair
           felix

    Scribe
           fsasaki

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]roll call
          2. [6]ITS per data category
          3. [7]XLIFF 2.0 mapping
          4. [8]issues proposed features
          5. [9]ITS Ontology
          6. [10]upcoming related events
          7. [11]webplatform.org
          8. [12]aob
      * [13]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

roll call

    checking attendeeds ...

    <dF> hi Felix, could you please help me out with my w3c
    account, I tried using it for my Madrid registration, but it
    did not work

    <dF> my login is dfilip

    <dF> I tried recovering my password using david.filip@ul.ie but
    nothing came

    <dF> I wonder if I should make myslef a new account and apply
    for being an invited expert? as my ul account probably stopped
    working when UL membership ended?

    <dF> I know the account is not necessary for registration

    <dF> but I probably need one for the ig contributions

    <dF> few things did not work with the old account recently, but
    when the registration failed I wonder if it is banned or
    something

    <dF> hm, strange, my current password does not work and I did
    not get any recovery info in the past hour

    <dF> is the associated e-mail address david.filip@ul.ie?

    <dF> any idea why the registration form refused my credentials,
    I have them stored in a keypass db so a typo is not an option

    <dF> again, the link requires login and refuses my current
    credentials :-(

    <dF> the link to ig membership you posted

    <dF> Sorry, Password Required An account (with a password) is
    required to view the page that you requested. If you don't have
    one, request a new account. If you have an account but forgot
    your password, recover your password. In case of trouble with
    any W3C Web account, please send an email to
    member-access@w3.org.

    <dF> this link is public

    <dF> the error message was for trzing to see the ig list and to
    register with my account

    <dF> do zou think I can edit the ig wiki?

    <dF> I will try

    <dF> The wiki accpeted my login

    <dF> also I was able to save a minor edit

    <dF> I will register using the 'no' option

    <dF> my credentials started magicallz working all over the
    place, including the reg form

    [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014
    Mar/0007.html

      [14] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Mar/0007.html

ITS per data category

    [15]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Description_of_IT
    S_benefit_per_data_category

      [15] 
https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Description_of_ITS_benefit_per_data_category

    pedro: just extend the time, and try to do it as soon as we can

    <YvesS> +1 on continuing that page

    phil: try to do it and see how it progresses

    <philr> +1 we should try best to complete

    phil: get more tools vendors to adopt - it would be much easier
    than approaching customers

    agree

    phil: trying to get a workflow working with dita. will document
    and publish that later

    <pedro>
[16]http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=
web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tran
    slationzone.com%2FImages%2FSDL_WP_Studio2014_Whats_New_EN_A4_lo
res_tcm40-41934.pdf&ei=Ml0gU820EK-10QXa_YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNE0QGmWf
    HqGCCXudT_xxwaSocolpg&sig2=s4Z5aEnsTfMOZtw64IUnmQ

      [16] 
http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.translationzone.com%2FImages%2FSDL_WP_Studio2014_Whats_New_EN_A4_lores_tcm40-41934.pdf&ei=Ml0gU820EK-10QXa_YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNE0QGmWfHqGCCXudT_xxwaSocolpg&sig2=s4Z5aEnsTfMOZtw64IUnmQ

    <dF> In the agenda, there is a wrong link for the XLIFF 2.0
    mapping the correct one should be this:
    [17]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping

      [17] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping

    enhanced XML filter with support for open W3C standards such as
    ITS 2.0 - support in SDL 2014. No details yet provided

    thanks, df - yes, I'll correct that

    pedro: will check out SDL 2014 support later in a few months

XLIFF 2.0 mapping

    [18]http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping

      [18] http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping

    <YvesS> I've started to implement ITS in the XLIFF2 Okapi lib
    (as an extension for now)

    <YvesS> yes, looking at the 1.2 mapping

    phil: talking to yves and dave about implementing XLIFF2 in
    ocelot

    <YvesS> and tackling the datacat needed for Ocelot first

    <YvesS> yes, the mapping page needs a lot or work

    david: most of the 2.0 mappings are scetched on the old page

    [19]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping

      [19] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping

    david: XLIFF 2.0 is now being pushed on the community spec
    level. That will hopefully happen next week or early April

    <YvesS> old mapping page:
    [20]http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping

      [20] http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping

    <dF>
    [21]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping

      [21] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping

    felix: so a lot of the mapping is done

    phil: wondering if implementation of mappings implementation
    would change if there is a decision made to make ITS a module
    of XLIFF2?

    david: interesting aspect. It is good to work on the mapping on
    the IG
    ... at some point to ensure that it becomes an xliff module, it
    needs to move to the TC
    ... and then it will need a statement of use / reference
    implementations
    ... three implementations are required

    <YvesS> actually OASIS doesn't require ANY implementations...

    david: we could get for a third one among CNGL partners, in
    addition to Ocelot / Okapi

    <YvesS> it requires only statment of use

    <dF> SoU

    three statement of use are needed

    <YvesS> not corporate

    felix: what is the timeline for ITS in XLIFF2?

    david: no rigourous planning so far
    ... a CNGL working item. Having the mapping workin in XLIFF 2.0
    is one of the goals in CNGL2
    ... I will make it a priority as soon as the XLIFF2 committee
    spec is out
    ... there is a little technical work on the spec
    ... finish the mapping on the wiki by the summer break would be
    great

    <scribe> ACTION: felix to assure that XLIFF2 mapping is
    finished by end of june - due 2014-06-30 [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - Assure that xliff2 mapping is
    finished by end of june [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-06-30].

    <YvesS> Note that mapping and implementations can be done as
    extension, and making the extension an official module can be
    done later.

    felix: formalization of module - does that include a namespace
    change?

    david: we said we'd accept namespaces hosted by proper
    standards org
    ... we hit some issues with validation
    ... the current spec validates based on OASIS hosted urn
    prefixes
    ... so two options: co-host namespace by OASIS
    ... or in 2.1 another prefix is added to the spec

    felix: adding a poitner from w3c namespace doc to oasis
    namespace would not be an issue

    david: one of the other features
    ... there is interest in the community for ITS module
    ... if there are other ideas, I would add them to 2.2 rather
    than 2.1
    ... for XLIFF 2.1, the main work is: ITS module + advanced
    validation support
    ... currently we have only XSD
    ... all other things need to be hand made
    ... are not supported by TC artefacts

    felix: is there an easy way to see the constraints to check?

    david: all relevant sections are labelled as constraints
    ... see the conformance section that is defined

    <YvesS> IMO it's not easy to get a list of all constraints and
    PRs. I've started an Excel list I can post

    that would be great, Yves

    david: that could be part of advanced validation support in 2.1

    felix: happy to help with the validation support
    ... having a list of the constraints would be helpful

    david: having phd student who is starting with this

    <YvesS> The Excel list is in the conformance folder in the
    OkapiXLIFFL distribution
    ([23]http://okapi.opentag.com/snapshots/okapi-xliffLib_all-plat
    forms_0.21-SNAPSHOT.zip)

      [23] 
http://okapi.opentag.com/snapshots/okapi-xliffLib_all-platforms_0.21-SNAPSHOT.zip)

    thanks, Yves

    <dF>
    [24]https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xl
    iff/trunk/xliff-20/xliff-core.pdf

      [24] 
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/trunk/xliff-20/xliff-core.pdf

    <dF>
    [25]https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xl
    iff/

      [25] https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/

    <dF>
    [26]https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xl
    iff/trunk/xliff-20/test-suite/#_trunk_xliff-20_test-suite_

      [26] 
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/trunk/xliff-20/test-suite/#_trunk_xliff-20_test-suite_

    <YvesS> no

    <scribe> ACTION: felix to look into XLIFF2 validation using the
    oasis svn truck [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Look into xliff2 validation
    using the oasis svn truck [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-03-19].

issues proposed features

    pablo working on readiness

    pedro: example: give a flag whether content should be revised
    or not

    david: we had nice readiness in XLIFF 2.0, was dropped in a
    ballot
    ... will post a link about this

    felix: that can help our readiness definition

    pedro: wondering whether the decision "publishing or not" and
    you send it back to CMS: should be in the CMS another decision
    point in here
    ... e.g. be ready to publish or do another step (validation
    ...)

    david: the diagram is the highest level possible, has the
    highest level of check points, depends on state machine

    pedro: add one more decision point to CMS or saying things are
    ready for publishing

    david: we can take this offline
    ... updated the action item with this about the ongoing
    discussion

ITS Ontology

    [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf#

      [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf

    felix: moving the ontology to github - what the implications
    are?

    david: may be relevant for analytics

    felix: feedback from dave may be needed

    david: from persistence w3c seems more stable and reliable

    phil: we have not done more than since then the work on the NIF
    test suite
    ... have been talking to Dave how that relates to CNGL work
    ... not final discussion yet
    ... dave and I were trying to do something for madrid
    conference

    david: invite sebastian to the call next time?
    ... he probably expects some changes to track

upcoming related events

    [29]http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/2014-madrid-worksho
    p/2014-madrid-cfp#importantdates

      [29] 
http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/2014-madrid-workshop/2014-madrid-cfp#importantdates

    "Localization World Dublin FEISGILLT

    FEISGILLT deadline is 19 March

    david: two calls - XLIFF symposium, content analytics topic
    ... ITS related topics can fit in either of calls
    ... e.g. XLIFF mapping better in XLIFF symposium, others in
    content analytics
    ... interop use cases, academic papers, demonstrators etc.

    <YvesS> FWIW: I'd be happy to do some demo/presentation (e.g.
    XLIFF2+ITS2) etc. I've submitted 3 proposals. But I don't have
    the budget to go to Dublin.

    <YvesS> Dave told me he talked to Asun.

    <YvesS> sure I'll send you that today

    [30]http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/LD4LT_Group_Kick-Off
    _Meeting_and_Roadmap

      [30] 
http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/LD4LT_Group_Kick-Off_Meeting_and_Roadmap

    <dF> FEISGILTT [31]http://bit.ly/1c4RC5Y CAL call
    [32]http://bit.ly/1aOppVV XLIFF call [33]http://bit.ly/1aOo7Kr

      [31] http://bit.ly/1c4RC5Y
      [32] http://bit.ly/1aOppVV
      [33] http://bit.ly/1aOo7Kr

    david: all submissions through easy chair
    ... need to choose track + topics, formats are the same

webplatform.org

    felix: is there something people should focus on if they want
    to contribute?

    <Jirka> yes, I'm here

    jirka: before luxembourg meeting I created empty page for all
    its data categories
    ... but did not have time to put content for all data
    categories

    felix: releveance for data categories?

    jirka: will do if I have time

    [34]http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/its/attributes

      [34] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/its/attributes

    pedro: a lot of content already about CSS etc.
    ... we have already done a lot of that stuff, in wiki etc.
    ... maybe people more related with universities have a phd
    students to compile the info
    ... material is done, just needs to be gathered and put in
    ... not only in IG wiki, but also with test files etc.

aob

    <YvesS> Thanks. Bye.

    <pedro> bye

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: felix to assure that XLIFF2 mapping is finished
    by end of june - due 2014-06-30 [recorded in
    [35]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: felix to look into XLIFF2 validation using the
    oasis svn truck [recorded in
    [36]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

    [End of minutes]
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