- From: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>
- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:15:34 +0200
- To: public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org
Minutes are at
http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-i18nits-minutes.html
and below as text. NOTE: next call will be next week since some items like „Open Data Management“ need a discussion rather soon.
- Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
ITS IG
11 Jun 2014
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Jun/0010.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Ankit, Arle, Jirka, Renat, Yves, dF, dave, felix, serge,
tatiana, christian
Regrets
Chair
felix
Scribe
fsasaki
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]roll call
2. [6]CSS attribute selectors
3. [7]Review of FEISGILTT outcomes
4. [8]aob
* [9]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
roll call
checking attendance
<Arle> \msg fsasaki Felix, I may not be able to pay attention
for the entire call due to some urgent deadlines. If I do not
respond to something I need to, please send me a Skype ping.
Sorry about that.
<Tatiana> Good afternoon and greetings from Latvia! :)
<Tatiana> Cannot dial in and join you via IRC
hi Tatiana, still waiting for the call to be started by the
organizer
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014
Jun/0010.html
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Jun/0010.html
dave: Open Data Management for Public Automated Translation
Services
... felix, I and others were at the LREC conference two weeks
ago
... there was a workshop about infrastructure in language
technology
... some things were academic, but otheres more practical
... andrjes Vasilijevs and Hans Uszkoreit talked about what the
EU is planning to do in terms of concrete services
... one service will be automated machine translation
... the MLI project is gathering technical requirements for
machine translation services
... I, felix and asun gomez perez talked to these guys after
the workshop
... it seems that so far people have not looked at the data
management side of things
... e.g. how to use open lexical resources
... and other items
... ITS does not have all solutions for this
... but some data categories can help, e.g. Terminology,
Provenance, maybe even LQI
... I, Asun and Felix wrote a document
...
[11]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Managem
ent_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
... with high level requirements
... e.g. how to collect parallel texts, how to determin if the
content has been created by MT etc.
... e.g. one use case being annotation of parallel text with
ITS metdata
... we put this up on the ITS IG wiki to see if people have
feedback
... and flesh out technical requirements, but also look into
other groups like LD4LT and the LIDER project
... and then give that feedback to the MLI project
... any feedback so far?
[11] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Management_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
serge: who is the driver of the MLI project?
<daveL> [12]http://mli-project.eu/
[12] http://mli-project.eu/
dave: DCU is involved, coordinated by INMARK (based in SPAIN),
various other companies and ELDA
... they started just to get going, since the EU had not yet
announced CEF broadly
<daveL>
[13]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Managem
ent_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
[13] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Management_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
[see partners list at [14]http://mli-project.eu/?page_id=14 ]
[14] http://mli-project.eu/?page_id=14
dave: there is a lot of expertise on the language technology
side of things and how to run e.g. cloud services
... there is also a call out to look into interop and standards
... it seems to assume that the services will be provided by
the EU MT service
... from an interop point of view it sounds like it may be
operated by the MT@EU project
... from an interop point of view it sounds like a good
opportunity to promote ITS, linked data things, TBX / TMX as
well
<Tatiana> Sorry, was away from keyboard for a few minutes:
about MLi
<Tatiana> At the end of June there is a deliverable to be
submitted by MLi
dave: andrejs Vasilijevs and Hans Uszkoreit said that the
project is looking currently for input
serge: it is critical to include the data component in this
<Tatiana> MLi deliverable in June will recommend on the pilot
services
serge: if the data component has been negleted we need to step
in, make contributions
<Tatiana> I believe, there should be a tight collaboration
between LIDER, MLi, and relevant initiatives within W3C
<daveL> +1
+1
<Tatiana> Dave, yes, MLi now is gathering input from users
<daveL>
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Managem
ent_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Management_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
felix: we are making the dicussion here in public also to get
broad input from people not directly involved in MLi
<Tatiana> Thank you for this link, I will forward it to my
colleague who is directly involved in the MLi work
<Tatiana> His task is to collect user requirements
<daveL> tatiana, what date would be good to aim for to submit
this as a contribution to MLi after gathering further input,
e.g. from GALA
serge: clear, we will contribute, and everybody should, see if
things are missing etc.
<Tatiana> If it is OK with the ITS community, this doc might be
shared with MLi (at Tilde, at least) and kept updating
<Tatiana> as soos as there is input from the ITS community
tatiana, sure, that is also why we do this in public - also,
see dave's question on the timeline for feedback
christian: about the document you drafted
<Tatiana> In this way, both parties will be updated
christian: do you want to give that as a position statement of
the ITS IG, or of the editors?
... that's a different aspect
serge: good point - should be an ITS IG position
christian: not necessarly - we need clarity - an IG position or
compiled by members of the IG
serge: there is a lot of discussion now about European language
cloud
... if we imagine in the future the European language cloud
... that should be the data model for ITS, MQM, industrial
implementations
... that should be coordinated
... otherwise we will get a zoo of tools and mess with the data
dave: to answer christian:
... we put this up on the wiki, not proposing that this should
be an ITS IG position statement
... happy to move that elsewhere if that is a conflict or out
of scope
... the scope is broader than ITS, but I thought the ITS group
is a good place to put it
... there is a lot of other people interested in this, also
outside the ITS IG
... so if people want to contribute we can do that and e.g. add
names of editors
... so would you feel happy to host the discussion here
christian: for me this is the ITS IG
... ITS1.0 and 2.0 fit well with automated translation services
... so discussions related to automated translation services
should be mentioned here as well
... so bringing this into the group and discussing it here is
great
discussion on where this should be discussed - ITS IG seems to
be a good open forum for this
christian: if we want to have an official ITS IG statement -
what would be the procedure ?
felix: for interest groups there are no formal voting
procedures
david: if the IG wants to make collective statements the note
has to go through the process
[16]http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/
[16] http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/
www.w3.org/TR/
felix explaining the concept of a W3C note
serge: this group is very active and elaborate, working on ITS
etc.
... if we formulate general terms - how do we see as a group
the proper implementation of a language cloud, and publish this
as a note
felix: a bit afraid that the time is not sufficient to discuss
and publish a note
christian: would be helpful to have a more focused link
... I see link to MLi project page - but where to find
background info that is in the doc
... is there such a targeted link, or are there workshop notes?
dave: we can get Andrjes MLi notes, which were fairly general
... there is EU information - I can dig out a link about the
current call from the EU for feedback
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to find out what the timeline is for
giving feedback (and felix too) to check if ITS IG would have
time to produce an official W3C note [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Find out what the timeline is
for giving feedback (and felix too) to check if its ig would
have time to produce an official w3c note [on David Lewis - due
2014-06-18].
christian: CEF is a funding scheme from the EU
... they will ask to create several infrastructues, one is
related to public automated translation services
... so you suggest to give some input of baseline requirements
dave: broadly, though I am not sure it will be a public
procurement process
... the preparatory call says: the expection says that the
MT@EU will be the basis
... it won't necessarily a fully public tender
felix: will schedule another call next week so that we can
continue this and other topics
CSS attribute selectors
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014
Jun/0001.html
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Jun/0001.html
[19]http://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-nonelement-1/
[19] http://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-nonelement-1/
jirka: is there an implementation already using CSS selectors?
felix: I am aware of bluegriffon IIRC, but that development is
not moving forward it seems
jirka: the motivation of the draft is to use CSS selectors with
ITS
... so it needs some implementations
... don't remember who originally proposed this, e.g. some
implementation or a general comment
<scribe> ACTION: felix to check with Cocomore if they would be
interested in implementing the CSS attribute selector [recorded
in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Check with cocomore if they
would be interested in implementing the css attribute selector
[on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-06-18].
<Arle> Sorry, I need to go. Speak to you all later.
felix: may also be interesting for Logrus
... no timeline for the draft - without implementations it just
will not move forward?
jirka: right
... they won't stop us from working on this due to some
deadlines
Review of FEISGILTT outcomes
[21]http://www.localizationworld.com/lwdub2014/feisgiltt/Progra
m.pdf
[21] http://www.localizationworld.com/lwdub2014/feisgiltt/Program.pdf
david: we had a good working event
... there will be proceedings published via localization focus
issue
... deadline is end of July for camera ready papers
... there was interesting discussions
... there was XLIFF symposium and linked data track
... most interesting thing was requirement gathering
... e.g. doing object model + json serialization for XLIFF
... that was nicely aligned with requirements on future of ITS
that was discussed in Marid, MLW WS
... we also discussed ITS mapping into XLIFF
... there was some discussion of XLIFF module dependencies
... ITS support can be in several modules, since the support
will be in several categories
<Tatiana> Have to leave already, sorry! Talk to you later and
looking forward to reading the minutes. Bye! :)
david: once the have ITS on the XLIFF TC agenda we can discuss
details
felix: we can discuss this next week again if that makes sense
david: about the linked data topic:
... several people said that licensing of linked data is an
important topic is important
dave: also, several people said not so much publishing of
linked data but modeling with linked data is important
... as we discussed via mail with Arle about MQM mappings
... RDF modeling works well to build broad consensus and have
specializations in sub classes etc.
... need to move forward with people who don't have much
experience with writing ontologies
... other important point is API discussion
... also looking into JSON-LD for the payload
... that relates to XLIFF / API discussion as well
... people said: a data model is great - but to use it you will
need an API as well
... for different use cases, like in HTML5
david: people from XLIFF community got really interested in
linked data agenda
... which was good
... was successful in bringing together the two communities and
detecting themes and topics
dave: discussion and feedback went really well
... me and felix are writing up some notes on this as well
aob
will have another call next week, same time, to discuss at
least three topics: ITS/MQM, Open Data Management for Public
Automated Translation Services, and ITS/XLIFF
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: daveL to find out what the timeline is for giving
feedback (and felix too) to check if ITS IG would have time to
produce an official W3C note [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to check with Cocomore if they would be
interested in implementing the CSS attribute selector [recorded
in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
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