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Re: ITS Teleconference - Jul-26-2011

From: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:26:25 +0200
Message-ID: <CAL58czr9efBL-oCTYbhNhTkgh+SHa-wWVuAWgFUtBCPjo8ZCbg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org" <public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org>
Hi all again,

after talking to Christian about the "transliteration" topic I understand
that I had a misunderstanding: the "transliteration / NLP" data category is
meant as a directive, in the sense of "this piece of content could be
objective to further processes", like the directive of the "Translate" data
category saying "this piece of content should be translated". With this
definition, it does not make sense to use the BCP 47 proposed extension for
"transliteration / NLP", since the extension is not a directive, but
provides information about the result of the transliteration or other
transformation processes. It may may make sense to explain the role between
"transliteration / NLP" and the BCP 47 extension in a note, but there is no
need to cite the extension formally.

Felix

2011/7/26 Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>

> Hi Christian,
>
> some thoughts on both proposals.
>
> The locale specific content text differs in terms of usage from xml:lang. I
> guess it will not differ in terms of values: it would still contain a BCP 47
> language tags. Also, one could encourage the "u" extension for language
> tags, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6067
>
> The "transliteration / NLP content" data category seems to miss information
> about the source and the target of the transformation. Again, here one could
> point to the yet to be finalized BCP 47 extension for
> http://tools.ietf.org/html//draft-davis-t-langtag-ext-03 . That is, one
> could add an attribute to the "its:autoLanguageProcessingRule" element,
> describing the relation between the source and the target of the
> transformation, with values like
>
>  +---------------------+---------------------------------------------+
>    | Language Tag        | Description                                 |
>    +---------------------+---------------------------------------------+
>    | ja-t-it             | The content is Japanese, transformed from   |
>    |                     | Italian.                                    |
>    | ja-Kana-t-it        | The content is Japanese Katakana,           |
>    |                     | transformed from Italian.                   |
>    | und-Latn-t-und-cyrl | The content is in the Latin script,         |
>    |                     | transformed from the Cyrillic script.       |
>    +---------------------+---------------------------------------------+
>
> Both proposals are along the lines of "trying to keep similar developments
> together".
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
>
> 2011/7/26 Lieske, Christian <christian.lieske@sap.com>
>
> Hi,
>>
>> I worked on my action items ...
>>
>> ACTION ITEM: Christian to update the "locale specific content" text so
>> that it reflects the difference to xml:lang
>>
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/IssuesAndProposedFeatures#Proposal:_localeSpecificContent
>>
>> ACTION ITEM: Christian to turn the discussion surrounding the
>> "transliteration / NLP content" into a proposal.
>>
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/IssuesAndProposedFeatures#Proposal:_data_category_for_automated_language_processing
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Christian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-i18n-its-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:
>> public-i18n-its-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Yves Savourel
>> Sent: Montag, 25. Juli 2011 09:51
>> To: public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org
>> Subject: ITS Teleconference - Jul-26-2011
>>
>> ITS IG Teleconference on Tuesday Jul-26-2011 At 15:00 UTC
>> 9am Denver, 11am Boston, 4pm London, 5pm Berlin
>> See your time-zone here:
>>
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20110628T17&p1=1264
>>
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>>
>> Last meeting minutes:
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-i18nits-minutes.html
>> (June meeting skipped)
>>
>> === ITS-oriented reviews of XML specifications
>>
>> Last Calls: http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
>>
>>
>> --- MIME type:
>> http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-types/2010-April/002337.html
>> Still waiting for an answer.
>> Nothing news on this.
>>
>>
>> --- HTML5
>> Jirka has logged an issue with HTML5 for the lack of translatability flag:
>> See thread here: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12417
>>
>> Jirka reported the proposal refused.
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2011Jun/0003.html
>> Any new argument welcome.
>>
>> --- XLIFF 2.0
>> Possible discussion on usage of ITS in XLIFF 2.0 for example for
>> translate, simpleNote, term, etc.
>> (when is it appropriate, when is it possible, how to integrate it, etc.)
>> See some of the discussion here:
>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201107/msg00014.html (and
>> thread)
>>
>>
>> === ITS Rules repository
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/RulesRepository
>> No new rules added.
>>
>>
>> === ITS General issues
>>
>> --- Context data category
>> Should go there:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/IssuesAndProposedFeatures#Proposed_Text
>> ACTION ITEM: Felix to talk to RDFa WG about "context data category"
>> mechanism
>>
>>
>> --- Idea for a "localeSpecificContent" data category.
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/IssuesAndProposedFeatures#Proposal:_localeSpecificContent
>> ACTION ITEM: Christian to update the "locale specific content" text so
>> that it reflects the difference to xml:lang
>>
>>
>> --- Permission for inline codes
>> ACTION ITEM: Yves to draft an extension for setting permission
>> (clone/delete/etc.) in ITS inline codes.
>> --> In progress.
>> See categories here:
>> http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/OneContentModel/Draft
>> No notation proposal yet.
>>
>>
>> --- Transliteration
>> Shaun McCance inquired about how to provide information for text to only
>> transliterate
>> See
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2011May/0001.html
>> ACTION ITEM: Christian to turn the discussion surrounding the
>> "transliteration / NLP content" into a proposal.
>>
>> Note: possible notation for transliteration
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-falk-transliteration-tags-01#appendix-A
>> Side topic: possible concerns about the language tag becoming overly
>> complex and covering different domain.
>>
>>
>> === Any Other Business?
>>
>> --- ITS-based filters used to convert data to Moses Inline Text format for
>> MT processing.
>> ACTION ITEM: Yves to write blurb about it and send it to Richard.
>> --> Not done yet.
>>
>>
>> === Next teleconference is Aug-23
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -ys
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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Prof. Dr. Felix Sasaki
Senior Researcher / Professor at University of Applied Sciences Potsdam
DFKI GmbH, Alt-Moabit 91c, 10559 Berlin, Germany http://www.dfki.de
phone: +49-30-23895-1807 (fax: -1810)
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Firmensitz: Trippstadter Strasse 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern
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