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Minutes 2006-01-18: GEO telecon

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:13:15 -0000
To: "GEO" <public-i18n-geo@w3.org>
Message-ID: <003c01c61cd8$94d07180$6501a8c0@w3cishida>

Many thanks to Molly for excellent scribing!

Minutes are here:
http://www.w3.org/2006/01/18-i18n-geo-minutes.html




Text version follows:


   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                        i18n GEO working group

18 Jan 2006


Attendees

   Present
          Richard, David_Clarke, Andrew, Molly

   Regrets
          Russ

   Chair
          Richard

   Scribe
          Molly Holzschlag

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Info share
         2. [6]New Getting Started Page
         3. [7]Can I publish this as is without the selection mechanism
            in the next few days
         4. [8]Quick Tips
         5. [9]Molly's 24 ways doc
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
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Info share

   <r12a> Molly: about to leave for california for a week, then france,
   then Uk until beginning march

   <r12a> ... if we can expedtie quick tips would be good

   <r12a> ... in the UK in Newcastle (north east) much of the time,
   also London, Winchester, etc

   <molly> Richard: Working on topic index

   <r12a> [11]http://www.w3.org/International/resource-index.html

     [11] http://www.w3.org/International/resource-index.html#charset

   <molly> added organization, JavaScript, DOM-compliant, okay for
   screen readers

   <molly> please keep informed if anything missing, difficult to find

   <molly> David: worth having a note regarding JavaScript feature

   <molly> Richard: can easily do so

   <molly> Richard: will add note. Also went through all articles and
   updated to latest template

New Getting Started Page

   <r12a> [12]http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/

     [12] http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/

   <molly> Richard: now indicates sections of site

   <molly> introducing section to help take a novice and explain area
   to you

   <molly> with links to next step

   <molly> if written well, can be filtered more specifically

   <molly> Molly: Likes idea of flitering

   <r12a>
   [13]http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/characters.html

     [13] http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/characters.html

   <molly> one article per topic area for the introducing . . . section

   <molly> proposal is to adopt a more "live" approach to our articles
   - get them out early

   <molly> improve over time

   <molly> Richard: Choosing one or two articles to then go on to read
   that would be next steps

   <molly> basic idea without diving into editorial, starting general,
   moving deeper

   <molly> Richard: remove TBDs

   <molly> John said he'd work on quicktips (extended version) but
   maybe a good choice for these articles

   <r12a> [14]http://www.w3.org/International/

     [14] http://www.w3.org/International/

   <molly> Molly: clarifying pathway to info

   <r12a> [15]http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/

     [15] http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/

   <r12a>
   [16]http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/#introducing

     [16] http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/#introducing

   <r12a>
   [17]http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/characters.html

     [17] http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/characters.html

   <molly> Richard: Clarifies pathway

   <molly> Andrew and David agree, all agree

Can I publish this as is without the selection mechanism in the next
few days

   <molly> David: Might be worth having a solicitation for feedback -
   tell us about it, help us out

   <molly> have them put together a few hundred words on suggested
   topic, even if we edit later, still helpful

   <molly> Richard: wonders if existing feedback addresses this
   concern?

   <molly> Molly: suggests link

   <molly> Richard: Can put feedback form on page

   <molly> Molly: okay with that

   <molly> Molly: wants to ensure that documents are in a constant
   state of editorial updating, feedback welcome

   <molly> Molly: likes the organic, evolutionary nature

   <molly> Richard: concerned with translation issues

   <molly> Molly: suggests timeline

   <molly> Richard: translators have to contact him first, can bring it
   to the group's attention and we can get it ready

   <molly> Everyone agrees

   <molly> Richard: Anything on getting started page that needs
   improving or changing

   <molly> Molly: suggests changing the TBD lists

   <molly> David: add additional information so people can find topic
   material that's not linked

   <molly> Richard: Worry is too much text. One sentence would be ok

   <molly> Andrew: Of two minds. Useful to know what's going to be
   coming up, but is it counterproductive?

   <molly> Andrew: Frustration factor, user knows material coming but
   not when

   <molly> Molly: Concerned that information that's important will get
   lost - add information to the paragraph

   <molly> Richard: suggests link to topic index

   <molly> David: Keyword search terms

   <molly> will help make it easier for folks to find information

   <molly> Richard: the headings we have are the ones in topic index,
   topic index has keywords

   <molly> one scenario: current intro material with pathway to topic
   index, another: in the meantime, go to the topic index, here are
   categories, we'd link directly to those

   <molly> sentence on getting started page

   <molly> what "topic x" is about

   <molly> Molly: likes keywords, sentence description

   <molly> Richard: introductory paragraph, current articles, paragraph
   leading to the topic index with list of other headings. sentence
   along each describing topic briefly, and when you click on links in
   second list, this will take you to the topic index section

   <molly> Andrew: if topic index goes through major restructuring,
   we'll need to coordinate with current page

   <molly> Richard: Keep it simple

   <molly> Everyone agrees

   <r12a>
   [18]http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/characters.html

     [18] http://www.w3.org/International/getting-started/characters.html

   <molly> David: points out error

   <molly> Richard: will fix links

   <r12a> links to Character sets & encodings in XHTML, HTML and CSS.
   etc

   <molly> Richard, David: Discuss content negotiation

   <molly> for multilingual documents within the site

   <molly> Molly: Comment out role selector for any pages to be
   published

   <molly> until we have an actual script for that

   <molly> Agreed that RIchard will publish, any editorial or other
   comments to list

   <molly> Richard will announce, and will also add explanation that
   this is an evolving document

Quick Tips

   <r12a> [19]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoQuickTips

     [19] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoQuickTips

   <molly> David: Just noticed something on the document - validated
   and found character set conflict

   <molly> Richard: will fix

   <molly> Richard: Got the go ahead to print cards. Blue logo, teal
   color

   <molly> has to find out which budget it's coming from

   <molly> Richard: Longer version, added a bit

   <molly> treat again as an evolutionary document, publish it quickly

   <molly> agree?

   <molly> Richard: still has to do forms

   <molly> Richard: Asking about links in longer quick tips version

   <molly> suggests pointing to the new "introducing" pages, giving
   broader coverage, or in addition.

   <molly> Molly: Suggests both

   <molly> Andrew: Agrees, mixed skill levels accessing info

   <molly> Richard: should we point to topic index

   <molly> Molly: Topic Index in nav

   <molly> Richard: Point into Topic Index would be helpful

   <molly> Everyone agrees

   <molly> Richard: Three ongoing links. 1. More information current
   links 2. More information as a newcomer 3. more information in topic
   index

   <molly> David: Borland's web site had a way to arrange by skill
   level

   <molly> Molly: Remembers that we spoke a lot about David's
   suggestion

   <molly> Current filtering / role based divisions resulted from that

Molly's 24 ways doc

   <molly>
   [20]http://24ways.org/advent/putting-the-world-into-world-wide-web

     [20] http://24ways.org/advent/putting-the-world-into-world-wide-web

   <molly> Molly added links

   <molly> Molly: happy if Richard announces

   <molly> Molly: question regarding Stephanie's email to public
   evangelist list

   <molly> Richard: Clarifies context

   <molly> Okay! Thanks everyone :)

   [End of minutes]
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