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Minutes 2005-02-09: GEO telecon

From: Deborah Cawkwell <deborah.cawkwell@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:58:47 -0000
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MINUTES: I18N GEO WG telcon, 2005-02-09 at 17:00 UTC/GMT, 10:00 Seattle,
13:00 Boston, 18:00 London, 19:00 Paris, 03:00 Melbourne

ATTENDEES
Deborah Cawkwell (BBC World Service, scribe)
Richard Ishida (W3C, chair)
Susan Miller (Boeing)
Russ Rolfe (Microsoft)

APOLOGIES
RR: will be a little late to meeting.

ADDITIONAL ITEMS
Could a wiki be used for review comments? It was felt that this would
improve the process as well as speeding it up.
Issues:
- Required paper trail, ability to roll back versions; ACTION DC Check
WIKI version viewing functionality.
- W3C has one wiki, would not set up one specifically for GEO.
- Using W3C wiki would make work more public than currently using GEO
public list.
- Vandalism: ACTION DC to check Wikipedia experience (from presentation
at BBC WS); what happens with W3C wiki?

INFO SHARE
Yahoo has joined W3C. 
ACTION RI Get Tex to re-join group.

REVIEW OF GEO WORK ITEMS
Active work on: 
- Authoring Techniques for XHTML & HTML Internationalization: Specifying
the language of content 1.0
- Global gateway
See Actions & work plan (http://www.w3.org/International/2003/plan.html)

DISCUSSIONS
Following DC & SM's comments, discussion on Language techniques:
revisions and reorganizations. 
New version: http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/test
Old version:
http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html
Links & section numbers refer to the new version.
Revisions:
 + Restructuring: separation of 
  + concepts & definitions
  + implementation
  
 + Restructuring:table of contents functionality
  + overview & scope of subject
  + improved navigation to allow the reader to get directly to the
information required
  
 + New sections:
  + 2 Why specify language?
(http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/test#ri20050208.091505539
)
  + 4 Mechanisms for declaring language in HTML
(http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/test#ri20050208.095812479
)
  
 + Restructured section 3 Important concepts
(http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/test#ri20050208.091505539
)
  + previously 2 Definitions
  + Subsections:
   + 3.1 Primary language
(http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/test#IDA5QNR)
   + 3.2 Text-processing language
(http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/test#IDA1RNR)
   + 3.3 Relationships with character encoding and directionality
(http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/test#IDARSNR)
  
 + Relationship with language issues orthogonal to language of content,
ie, character encoding & text direction, with which developers are
likely to be more familiar
 
 + Agreement to itemize pros & cons in techniques implementation
sections; 'consider pros & cons' wording plus paragraphs of explanation
felt to be unclear. Commentary vs facts, where it was felt facts should
be made very clear & commentary had a more supporting role.
 
 + Addition of tooltips over icons (via 'title' icon).
 
 + Removal of extraneous text, which was felt to make the document
overly wordy.
 
 + Changes in language register: less jargon, generally plainer text,
which was felt more appropriate to the WG with a Guidelines, Education,
Outreach remit.
 
 + Use of 'meta' in regards to language information in the HTML head
should be made explicit: meta content-language (language of content) vs
meta content-type (character encoding).
 
 + 4 Mechanisms for declaring language in HTML
  + Include HTML elements for language change - some overlap with HTML
element itself being used. 
  + State explicitly that with 'lang' attribute which is used with HTML
elements, that only one language can be specified. 
  + The latter is not seen as a flaw in the HTML spec.

No discussion this meeting: global gateway comments; progress on Getting
Started stuff(?)) Review process: agreed that deadlines would be useful.
Also, should be sign-off (email, telecon, F2F) on documents prior to
publication by all members of the GEO WG.

ACTIONS
Wiki: ACTION DC Check WIKI version viewing functionality.
Wiki: ACTION DC to check Wikipedia experience (from presentation at BBC
WS). DC ACTION to circulate Unicode FAQ as soon as possible. - After
techniques work. 
RI: Propose solution to Andrea's comment about capitalisation of
i18n/l10n - outstanding 
RI: Global gateway ((Link:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-geo/2004Dec/0016.html)ht
tp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-geo/2004Dec/0016.html ) -
RI to summarize comments (MD, JY, AP) & to circulate to the group. RI
DONE 
SM: Getting started page ((Link:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-geo/2005Jan/0001.html)ht
tp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-geo/2005Jan/0001.html ):
develop management & design views & circulate for review & additional
material/ideas - ongoing. 
RI to chase GEO WG participants - particularly invited experts. - DONE 
list of participants to go back on site - when membership sorted - RI
ACTION 
RI ACTION to liaise with Ivan Herman about getting translations of the
Getting Started material (when completed in English). - For future 
RI ACTION - Get Tex to re-join group.
All GEO work items: http://www.w3.org/International/2003/plan.html

 

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