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RE: backburner question: Checking HTTP Headers (was: Sites to see headers)

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:35:31 +0100
To: "'Martin Duerst'" <duerst@w3.org>, <public-i18n-geo@w3.org>
Cc: "'Olivier Thereaux'" <ot@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001e01c334dd$b4d52470$ec01000a@w3c40upc3ma3j2>

Martin,

Thanks for proposing this.  

I have just edited your file as follows:
-	standardised the structure
-	added a 'content created' date at the bottom (as per Tex's
suggestion)
-	added a charset declaration
-	removed trailing dots from headers except last header
(consistent with current approach), and changed 'Notes' header to 'By
the way...' (hope that's ok)


I have the following suggestions:

-	the background and answer suggest to me that the question should
rather be "How can I check the character encoding information sent in
the HTTP header of a web document?"

-	I'd suggest using h3 elements rather than bulleted list (for
readability, but also consistency - see eg
http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-date-format.html)

-	 the ((X)HTML) source =>  the (X)HTML source  OR   (and the
(X)HTML source)

-	Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8  - I'm not sure the utf-8
needs to be italicised

-	 the actual markup =>  the markup

-	e.g. a document claiming to be iso-8859-1 may not actually be
iso-8859-2. => for example, a document claiming to be iso-8859-1 is
actually encoded using iso-8859-2 or some other encoding.

Hope that helps.

See also comments below.

RI

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-i18n-geo-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-i18n-geo-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Martin Duerst
> Sent: 16 June 2003 22:47
> To: public-i18n-geo@w3.org
> Cc: Olivier Thereaux
> Subject: backburner question: Checking HTTP Headers (was: 
> Sites to see headers)
> 
> 
> 
> I just made a question out of the list of sites to see
> HTTP headers. Thanks to Andrew and Tex for their help.
> 
> This is for my next round, so we don't have to
> discuss this on this Wednesday. Please see 
> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-headers-charset.h
tml


>Olivier, I have copied you because this mentions the validator.

>Richard, I'm not sure I got the
><div class="content"> markup right. It's not clear
>what it is for, 

I should have used a class="section" div that surrounded both h2 and
section content.  At the time I was not sure whether the negative
indents that that would require for the headings would work properly
everywhere, and didn't have time to explore it.

It makes it much easier to process the page with XSLT if additional
structure such as sections are added, but it also allows me to add a
consistent css margin to the section on one line rather than having to
add margins to any element that might appear in the section.


>but it seems to affect styling in
>somewhat strange ways. 

Amaya certainly seems to turn this into a dog's breakfast.  It looks
fine in NN7, NN4, IE and Opera.


>In general, to reduce overhead,
>it is easiest to mark up all the other parts and leave
>the unmarked parts as simple content, but maybe I got
>something wrong.


Note that there is one <div class="content"> for each section (I should
have called it 'section-content' - or implemented properly as
'section').  That was the only problem - I fixed it for you.


>regards,     Martin.



At 09:52 03/06/12 +1000, Andrew Cunningham wrote:

>Martin Duerst wrote:
>>There are the sites I know to check 
>>http://webtools.mozilla.org/web-sniffer/
>>http://www.delorie.com/web/headers.html
>
>http://www.rexswain.com/httpview.html
>
>
>likewise if your interested in the http request
>
>http://www.delorie.com:81/some/url.html
>http://www.i18ngurus.com/cgi-bin/TestLang.pl
>
>
>
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