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Re: New tutorial under way: Creating SVG Tiny Pages in Arabic & Hebrew

From: Najib Tounsi <ntounsi@emi.ac.ma>
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:42:22 +0000
Message-ID: <4915C16E.6000506@emi.ac.ma>
To: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
CC: 'Chris Lilley' <chris@w3.org>, 'Doug Schepers' <schepers@w3.org>, public-i18n-core@w3.org

Some few remarks:

1) "The Basics" paragraph:
(http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/bidi-svg/#Slide0040)
before the example: "This can be illustrated by the example below."
Perhaps you should specify that the example is in Persian (Faressi). The 
title of the article talk about Arabic & Hebrew.

2) "Language tagging" paragraph bellow:
The reference "Specifying the language of content"
should be
http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/#ri20030112.213801634
rather than
http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html#ri20030112.213801634

3) "Direction and text-anchor" paragraph: 
(http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/bidi-svg/#Slide0180)
The first example (Text-anchor in different directional contexts.)
The reference graphic is not the correct one.


Regards, Najib


Richard Ishida wrote:
> Chaps,
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> I figured that while the information was still fresh in my brain after doing all the tests, I should write a tutorial on how to use the bidi features of SVG Tiny.
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> Thought I'd let you know that I'm doing so.  You can find the text so far at 
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> http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/bidi-svg/
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> I'm building it off a similar tutorial for XHTML, and I'm about half way through at the moment.
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> I hope my SVG examples are ok. I'm no expert.
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> hth
> RI
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> PS: Chris, I did think about and look again at what we discussed on the phone wrt first character determining direction and need for unicode-bidi on svg tag, and I believe I was right. I've written the tutorial on that basis.  Unicode-bidi embed is only needed for tspans, although unicode-bidi override can be used effectively on text or textArea elements, I believe.  This is how CSS works, too.  (Elika clarified some of these things in her discussions with Doug based on her experience writing the CSS stuff.)   See for example, in the SVG Tiny text "For other cases, such as when using right-to-left languages, it may be sufficient to add the 'direction'  property to the rootmost 'svg' element, and allow that direction to inherit to all text elements, as in the following example..." (no mention of unicode-bidi, on purpose) and "For the 'direction' property to have any effect on an element that does not by itself establish a new text chunk (such as the 'tspan' element in SVG 1.2 Tiny), the 'unicode-bidi' property's value must be embed or bidi-override." (again referring specifically to inline elements rather than block elements).
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> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
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