[I18N Core] Teleconference Minutes 2007-02-06

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Felix

   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                             i18n core WG

6 Feb 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Feb/0000.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Felix, Francois, Michael, Richard

   Regrets
          Ienup

   Chair
          Francois

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]last minutes
         2. [6]action items
         3. [7]"IDNs, do they work" document
         4. [8]Charmod C064 considered unclear
         5. [9]xml:base
         6. [10]XQuery review update
         7. [11]Work on Japanese layout
         8. [12]LTLI update, see
            http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/ and
            normative statements at
            http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006Oc
            tDec/0048.html .
         9. [13]i18n charter review
        10. [14]AOB
     * [15]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

last minutes

   minutes approved

action items

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar (DONE) [recorded
   in [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]

   <scribe> ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to
   GEO (DONE) [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]

   <scribe> ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING)
   [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG
   tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list (PENDING)
   [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]

   <scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
   norm (PENDING) [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]

   <scribe> ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065
   (DONE) [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]

   <scribe> ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather
   information on options for diacritics in collations (DROPPED)
   [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]

   Francois: there is no standard for that

   Felix: there will be a last call soon I think

   <scribe> ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail on xml:base and to
   write a reply to him (PENDING [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]

   <scribe> ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the
   stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode (DONE)
   [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]

   Francois: relevant for the note on C064/65, I used that information

"IDNs, do they work" document

   see mail from Richard at
   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
   0040.html

     [25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0040.html

   Michael: got some feedback on IDN document
   ... Mark Davis sent some feedback on the document, I can forward it
   to Richard
   ... he saw some different behavior in IE 7

   Richard: What is the different behavior?

   Michael describes the mail from Mark at
   [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
   0028.html

     [26]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0028.html

   latest draft from Michael at
   [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
   0032.html

     [27]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0032.html

   Michael: I tested myself and saw that Mark is right

   Francois: what was the difference?

   Richard: if you have in language preference box "only English"
   ... they seemed to have worked out "English users use only ASCII, no
   umlaut"
   ... so if you go to "baecker.com" with AUMLAUT, you will get
   punycode
   ... I have en-GB as my setting, you can't have en (only as "user
   defined") in IE 7

   Francois: so they define ASCII as a new script for "English only"?

   Richard: there are many languages which use latin scripts, I wonder
   how they figured that out
   ... I get punycode for en and en-GB

   Michael: it associates ASCII with any English language preference
   ... and latin-1 for any western European languages

   Richard: what test did you do, Michael?

   Michael: I understand that it is technically correct what Mark says
   ... but it might be misleading since IE 7 will work if you have a
   European language in your preference, even if the character is not
   from that language

   <scribe> ACTION: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out
   how IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference
   settings [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]

   Michael: on the links: some render fine on the screen, but you get a
   percent escaped URL

   Richard: I can remove the links from the table header

   Michael: ok

   Richard: anther comment from Thomas Roessler
   ... he said that this is not about pishing
   ... I wanted to say that this is a gray area
   ... if we would say "homograph attack" people would not understand
   what we mean

   Francois: how about "pishing using a homograph attack"?

   Richard: I'll have a look and see what I can come up with

   Francois: all very good

   Richard: the subsection after the table "other pishing concerns"
   after the table
   ... I tried to summarize a lot of information

Charmod C064 considered unclear

   proposal from Francois at
   [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
   0042.html

     [29]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html

   Francois: proposal is to have this note as an erratum

   Francois describes the note

   Felix: looks good to me

   Richard: different wording proposal using "tight"?

   Francois: sometimes Unicode is referenced not normatively, so "tied
   to" would not fit

   Richard: ok
   ... how do we manage errrata?

   Francois: you edit the errata page

   Richard: do we have to go through a process?

   Francois: for a normative change, you have to publish a new version
   of the spec
   ... for the non-normative note, we just publish the erratum, that is
   it

   <fyergeau>
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/02/charmod-fundamentals-errata.html

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2005/02/charmod-fundamentals-errata.html

   [31]http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-charmod-20050215

     [31] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-charmod-20050215

   Francois: we can have an group internal countdown for two weeks, if
   nobody protests, we put it on the errata page

   RESOLUTION: WG agrees with
   [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
   0042.html as an erratum for charmod norm. We will have an group
   internal countdown for two weeks, if nobody protests, we put it on
   the errata page

     [32]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html

xml:base

   Francois: too late to do s.t., let's drop this

XQuery review update

   Felix: there will be a last call of full text soon, so we can make a
   review at last call

Work on Japanese layout

   Felix gives a summary

   Felix: I'll write a mail later about the task force, just a heads up
   for the moment

LTLI update, see [33]http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/ and
normative statements at
[34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/004
8.html .

     [33] http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/
     [34]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0048.html

   Michael: there is a dublicate in sec. 3.1
   ... there is a typo in sec. 4 first sentence
   ... in Example 1: the extendend langugae range , why do two hyphens
   de-*-DE match e.g. de-DE?

   Francois: this is not like pure regex
   ... the de-*-DE is "two sub tags with any sub tag inbetween"

   Michael: ok

   Felix: the examples are from the matching spec
   ... will be fine

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels
   feedback into account [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]

i18n charter review

   Richard: review period finishes tomorrow, 25 respones so far

   (Richard describes some responses)

   (Richard describes the following process)

   Richard: if you have ideas on a recruitement plan, please contact me
   ... after rechartering we have to think how we will organize the
   work with the GEO folks

   Francois: what is the time line?

   Richard: a couple of weeks I think

AOB

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels feedback
   into account [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
   [NEW] ACTION: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out how
   IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference settings
   [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]

   [PENDING] ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG
   tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
   norm [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail on xml:base and to
   write a reply to him [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]

   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
   [DONE] ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065
   [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
   [DONE] ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the
   stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode
   [recorded in
   [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
   [DONE] ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to
   GEO [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]

   [DROPPED] ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather
   information on options for diacritics in collations [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]

   [End of minutes]
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