- From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
- Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:28:52 -0700
- To: "Felix Sasaki" <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Cc: "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <30b660a20606131128j384db6ddq36f1960320478ca5@mail.gmail.com>
For the locale discussion, I could call in for a meeting (instead of just read the minutes!) Mark On 6/13/06, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote: > > ... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes > > and below as text. > > - Felix > > > > [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > i18n core working group > > 13 Jun 2006 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0011.html > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-irc > > Attendees > > Present > Felix, Francois, Karunesh, Mary, Richard, Vijay > > Regrets > Chair > Francois > > Scribe > Felix > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]action items > 2. [6]SSML i18n workshop report (by Richard) > 3. [7]Workshop in India > 4. [8]action items (part 2) > 5. [9]discussion of > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Ju > n/0009.html comments on intput mode > 6. [10]compound doc issue > 7. [11]two possible approaches to LTLI > 8. [12]rechartering preparation - any news? > 9. [13]other business? > * [14]Summary of Action Items > _________________________________________________________ > > action items > > <scribe> ACTION: Felix to find out how we should handle ws-i18n > "policy" now, with the policy wg (ONGOING) [recorded in > [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01] > > <scribe> ACTION: Richard (if you want): Report on SSML workshop, and > WWW 2006 (DONE) [recorded in > [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02] > > SSML i18n workshop report (by Richard) > > Richard: not much left to say > > Francois: nothing ground breaking? > > Richard: the composite message scenario for SSML? > ... we thought about SSML in two contexts: > ... handcrafting a text, putting things into it, then an SSML > processor works with it > ... that scenario is e.g. for a telephone prompt > ... a different scenario might be a news read > ... where you read news e.g. for a data base > ... in that case you will not do any special tweaks of low level > attributes / elements > ... at the SSML workshop, there was a third scenario: you get some > information from the DB > ... e.g. you get the date from the DB in "the date is ..." > ... or "the total number of pages printed is ..." > ... if you say "we printed seven pages" > ... that would be difficult for languages with high inflection > ... all the rules on composite messages I wrote recently in an > article apply in that case > ... we have to see what the implemencations will be > > Francois: interesting. Is there an allowance for variables in SSML? > > Richard: that is up to you, SSML has no specific facility for that > ... but some Greek people did that > > Francois: so the SSML processor gets just plain SSML, but a > different processor does the rest? > > Richard: yes > ... e.g. you could use the say-as element > ... you can have that as part of a template for your sentence > ... but that would not be so easy with e.g. news feeds, because you > first would need to identify e.g. ordinal numbers > > Francois: any conclusion for the workshop? > > Richard: we gathered requirements > ... there will be a summary > ... there might be another workshop > ... these guys are kean on i18n > ... they want more people more Indian e.g. > > Felix: would ITS be a place to describe such constraints as with the > variable stuff? > > Richard: don't know, maybe in ITS > > Workshop in India > > Richard: on the 2nd and 3rd of August > ... a workshop with strong interest in speech > ... maybe people from the voice browser wg > ... Felix might be able to participate as well > > Felix: I will make that clear ASAP > > Francois: organized by the Indian office? > > Richard: yes > > action items (part 2) > > <scribe> ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather > feedback (PENDING) [recorded in > [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03] > > <scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod > norm (PENDING) [recorded in > [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04] > > <scribe> ACTION: Mary to review [19]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after > 18 May before 30 June (PENDING) [recorded in > [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05] > > [19] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ > > <scribe> ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu > on ws-i18n (PENDING) [recorded in > [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06] > > <scribe> ACTION: Richard to create a wiki on "first letter", post a > blog and write a mail to the Unicode list about it (PENDING) > [recorded in > [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07] > > discussion of > [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0009.h > tml comments on intput mode > > [23] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0009.html > > Richard: I already got a response from Martin, he felt he could deal > with this > ... I don't think there is s.t. specific at this time, Steven just > wants somebody to talk to > > Martins mail: > [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001 > 2.html > > [24] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html > > Richard: there is a specific issue, and Martin has responded already > > <scribe> ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion, see > Martin's mail at > [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001 > 2.html [recorded in > [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08] > > [25] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html > > compound doc issue > > <fyergeau_> > [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001 > 0.html > > [27] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0010.html > > Richard: accessibility people have raised the same issue as we did > about compound documents > > Francois: We tried, CDF refused > > Felix: coming from an ITS perspective and the problems we have with > the conref mechanism, I tend to agree with the CDF people > > Richard: people might want to use this stuff > > Francois: CDF people say the stuff would be like standalone > ... I am still worried that people create compound documents with > images > > Richard: we should get it in the i18n BP document > > Felix: Yves said he will take care of that > > Richard: we talk about documents included by reference > ... if the SVG is included in the HTML file, what do we say? > > Francois: in that case, the xml:lang will apply > ... from the case of accessibility, we could say "we tried with CDF, > they pushed back" > ... accessiblity might be stronger > > Richard: but the same theory applies > ... if we agree with CDF, we should go back to accessibility like > that as well > ... and people should be educated > ... to use language information in every included piece > > <scribe> ACTION: Richard to reply to accessibility people about CDF > issue [recorded in > [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09] > > Richard: we should also say: > > <r12a> that the referenced document would be handled as if it were > read on its own > > two possible approaches to LTLI > > see > [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/ > 0073.html > > [29] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0073.html > > Francois: Did Mark make some recommendations? > > Felix: he proposed to built locale identifiers on top of RFC 3066bis > > Francois: I think that matches current practice more closlely than > the other solution (i.e. having locale and language totally > separated) > > Richard: what are we dealing with here? E.g. collations? > > Francois: what a locale is depends very much on the application area > > Felix: what notion fits to ws i18n? > > Mary: depends also on application > > discussion on various notions of locale > > rechartering preparation - any news? > > Richard: no news yet. > > other business? > > Francois: not here next week > > Richard: let's have a call > ... at some time, we should go through some concepts of RFC 3066bis > > Francois: please tackle ITS if possible next week > > Mary: will do > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion, see > Martin's mail at > [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001 > 2.html [recorded in > [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08] > [NEW] ACTION: Richard to reply to accessibility people about CDF > issue [recorded in > [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09] > > [30] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html > > [PENDING] ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather > feedback [recorded in > [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03] > [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to find out how we should handle ws-i18n > "policy" now, with the policy wg [recorded in > [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01] > [PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod > norm [recorded in > [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04] > [PENDING] ACTION: Mary to review [36]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after > 18 May before 30 June [recorded in > [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05] > [PENDING] ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu > on ws-i18n [recorded in > [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06] > [PENDING] ACTION: Richard to create a wiki on "first letter", post a > blog and write a mail to the Unicode list about it [recorded in > [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07] > > [36] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ > > [DONE] ACTION: Richard (if you want): Report on SSML workshop, and > WWW 2006 [recorded in > [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02] > > [End of minutes] > _________________________________________________________ > > > Minutes formatted by David Booth's [41]scribe.perl version 1.127 > ([42]CVS log) > $Date: 2006/06/13 16:16:49 $ > > [41] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm > [42] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ > > >
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