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Re: [I18N Core] Teleconference Minutes 2006-06-13

From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:28:52 -0700
Message-ID: <30b660a20606131128j384db6ddq36f1960320478ca5@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Felix Sasaki" <fsasaki@w3.org>
Cc: "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
For the locale discussion, I could call in for a meeting (instead of just
read the minutes!)

Mark

On 6/13/06, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote:
>
> ... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes
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> and below as text.
>
> - Felix
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>
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>    [1]W3C
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>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
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>                         i18n core working group
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> 13 Jun 2006
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>    [2]Agenda
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>       [2]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0011.html
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>    See also: [3]IRC log
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>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-irc
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> Attendees
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>    Present
>           Felix, Francois, Karunesh, Mary, Richard, Vijay
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>    Regrets
>    Chair
>           Francois
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>    Scribe
>           Felix
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> Contents
>
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]action items
>          2. [6]SSML i18n workshop report (by Richard)
>          3. [7]Workshop in India
>          4. [8]action items (part 2)
>          5. [9]discussion of
>             http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Ju
>             n/0009.html comments on intput mode
>          6. [10]compound doc issue
>          7. [11]two possible approaches to LTLI
>          8. [12]rechartering preparation - any news?
>          9. [13]other business?
>      * [14]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
>
> action items
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Felix to find out how we should handle ws-i18n
>    "policy" now, with the policy wg (ONGOING) [recorded in
>    [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
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>    <scribe> ACTION: Richard (if you want): Report on SSML workshop, and
>    WWW 2006 (DONE) [recorded in
>    [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
>
> SSML i18n workshop report (by Richard)
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>    Richard: not much left to say
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>    Francois: nothing ground breaking?
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>    Richard: the composite message scenario for SSML?
>    ... we thought about SSML in two contexts:
>    ... handcrafting a text, putting things into it, then an SSML
>    processor works with it
>    ... that scenario is e.g. for a telephone prompt
>    ... a different scenario might be a news read
>    ... where you read news e.g. for a data base
>    ... in that case you will not do any special tweaks of low level
>    attributes / elements
>    ... at the SSML workshop, there was a third scenario: you get some
>    information from the DB
>    ... e.g. you get the date from the DB in "the date is ..."
>    ... or "the total number of pages printed is ..."
>    ... if you say "we printed seven pages"
>    ... that would be difficult for languages with high inflection
>    ... all the rules on composite messages I wrote recently in an
>    article apply in that case
>    ... we have to see what the implemencations will be
>
>    Francois: interesting. Is there an allowance for variables in SSML?
>
>    Richard: that is up to you, SSML has no specific facility for that
>    ... but some Greek people did that
>
>    Francois: so the SSML processor gets just plain SSML, but a
>    different processor does the rest?
>
>    Richard: yes
>    ... e.g. you could use the say-as element
>    ... you can have that as part of a template for your sentence
>    ... but that would not be so easy with e.g. news feeds, because you
>    first would need to identify e.g. ordinal numbers
>
>    Francois: any conclusion for the workshop?
>
>    Richard: we gathered requirements
>    ... there will be a summary
>    ... there might be another workshop
>    ... these guys are kean on i18n
>    ... they want more people more Indian e.g.
>
>    Felix: would ITS be a place to describe such constraints as with the
>    variable stuff?
>
>    Richard: don't know, maybe in ITS
>
> Workshop in India
>
>    Richard: on the 2nd and 3rd of August
>    ... a workshop with strong interest in speech
>    ... maybe people from the voice browser wg
>    ... Felix might be able to participate as well
>
>    Felix: I will make that clear ASAP
>
>    Francois: organized by the Indian office?
>
>    Richard: yes
>
> action items (part 2)
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather
>    feedback (PENDING) [recorded in
>    [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
>    norm (PENDING) [recorded in
>    [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
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>    <scribe> ACTION: Mary to review [19]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after
>    18 May before 30 June (PENDING) [recorded in
>    [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
>
>      [19] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu
>    on ws-i18n (PENDING) [recorded in
>    [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Richard to create a wiki on "first letter", post a
>    blog and write a mail to the Unicode list about it (PENDING)
>    [recorded in
>    [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
>
> discussion of
> [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0009.h
> tml comments on intput mode
>
>      [23]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0009.html
>
>    Richard: I already got a response from Martin, he felt he could deal
>    with this
>    ... I don't think there is s.t. specific at this time, Steven just
>    wants somebody to talk to
>
>    Martins mail:
>    [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001
>    2.html
>
>      [24]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html
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>    Richard: there is a specific issue, and Martin has responded already
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion, see
>    Martin's mail at
>    [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001
>    2.html [recorded in
>    [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
>
>      [25]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html
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> compound doc issue
>
>    <fyergeau_>
>    [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001
>    0.html
>
>      [27]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0010.html
>
>    Richard: accessibility people have raised the same issue as we did
>    about compound documents
>
>    Francois: We tried, CDF refused
>
>    Felix: coming from an ITS perspective and the problems we have with
>    the conref mechanism, I tend to agree with the CDF people
>
>    Richard: people might want to use this stuff
>
>    Francois: CDF people say the stuff would be like standalone
>    ... I am still worried that people create compound documents with
>    images
>
>    Richard: we should get it in the i18n BP document
>
>    Felix: Yves said he will take care of that
>
>    Richard: we talk about documents included by reference
>    ... if the SVG is included in the HTML file, what do we say?
>
>    Francois: in that case, the xml:lang will apply
>    ... from the case of accessibility, we could say "we tried with CDF,
>    they pushed back"
>    ... accessiblity might be stronger
>
>    Richard: but the same theory applies
>    ... if we agree with CDF, we should go back to accessibility like
>    that as well
>    ... and people should be educated
>    ... to use language information in every included piece
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Richard to reply to accessibility people about CDF
>    issue [recorded in
>    [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
>
>    Richard: we should also say:
>
>    <r12a> that the referenced document would be handled as if it were
>    read on its own
>
> two possible approaches to LTLI
>
>    see
>    [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/
>    0073.html
>
>      [29]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0073.html
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>    Francois: Did Mark make some recommendations?
>
>    Felix: he proposed to built locale identifiers on top of RFC 3066bis
>
>    Francois: I think that matches current practice more closlely than
>    the other solution (i.e. having locale and language totally
>    separated)
>
>    Richard: what are we dealing with here? E.g. collations?
>
>    Francois: what a locale is depends very much on the application area
>
>    Felix: what notion fits to ws i18n?
>
>    Mary: depends also on application
>
>    discussion on various notions of locale
>
> rechartering preparation - any news?
>
>    Richard: no news yet.
>
> other business?
>
>    Francois: not here next week
>
>    Richard: let's have a call
>    ... at some time, we should go through some concepts of RFC 3066bis
>
>    Francois: please tackle ITS if possible next week
>
>    Mary: will do
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [NEW] ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion, see
>    Martin's mail at
>    [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001
>    2.html [recorded in
>    [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Richard to reply to accessibility people about CDF
>    issue [recorded in
>    [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
>
>      [30]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html
>
>    [PENDING] ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather
>    feedback [recorded in
>    [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to find out how we should handle ws-i18n
>    "policy" now, with the policy wg [recorded in
>    [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
>    norm [recorded in
>    [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Mary to review [36]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after
>    18 May before 30 June [recorded in
>    [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu
>    on ws-i18n [recorded in
>    [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Richard to create a wiki on "first letter", post a
>    blog and write a mail to the Unicode list about it [recorded in
>    [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
>
>      [36] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/
>
>    [DONE] ACTION: Richard (if you want): Report on SSML workshop, and
>    WWW 2006 [recorded in
>    [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
>
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________
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