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Re: Ruby: Requirements and prioritization

From: Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu <kanghaol@oupeng.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:14:24 +0800
Message-ID: <5138D900.6050404@oupeng.com>
To: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
CC: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, 董福興 <bobbytung@wanderer.tw>, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>, "CJK discussion (public-i18n-cjk@w3.org)" <public-i18n-cjk@w3.org>, "Freedom Tan (陳官辰)" <Freedom.Tan@mediatek.com>
(Cc+ freedom)

Freedom, this discussion is archived at public-i18n-cjk[1]

(13/02/27 0:38), Richard Ishida wrote:
> On 26/02/2013 01:16, fantasai wrote:
>>> 2, Tone markings
>>> Bopomofo has 4 tone marking: ˙ˊˇˋ.
>>> First one ˙should be positioned top in ruby text area,
>>> so that's ok in practice. But others should be along
>>> the right side of ruby text area(二重構造になります).
>>> This structure is not in Ruby Module Draft. That
>>> results Bopomofo display unable to fulfill educational
>>> requirement, and hard to practice well.
>>
>> This is not a problem with Ruby, but with the display
>> of Bopomofo in general. If you are writing in Bopomofo,
>> even if you are not annotating a character, you will
>> have the same problem. Therefore this should be solved
>> by the text rendering system, not by Ruby. We want this
>> tone mark positioning behavior in all contexts, right?
>> Not just when Bopomofo is used with Ruby.
>>
>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
> 
> No, not correct.  See my page of examples.

Can you elaborate on this? Especially it is important to know in your
opinion which sentence of fantasai's is incorrect.

I can verify that "We want this tone mark positioning behavior in all
contexts, right? Not just when Bopomofo is used with Ruby." is correct.
As an example for Taiwanese folks, you should have seen

  很ㄅ一ㄤˋ的

, where ㄅ一ㄤˋ is stacked vertically in a night market or somewhere.
And no, ㄅ一ㄤˋ is not ruby. It is not associated with any other character.


Other Taiwanese folks, can you verify this? (By the way, you are always
encouraged to discuss this within the mailing list of W3C HTML5 Chinese
Interest Group[2]).

> And note, btw, that the tone marks are NOT combining characters in
> Unicode, but will need to be placed by the layout mechanism. (Just
> trying to head off a repetition of the typical suggestion that is made
> wrt tone positioning.)

I'd rather we don't go into details before use cases are clarified. But
I do have a different solution.


[1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-cjk/2013JanMar/thread#msg44
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-ig-zh/



Cheers,
Kenny
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