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Re: Memo from ruby disucssion with Roland

From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:42:21 +0100
To: Roland Steiner <rolandsteiner@google.com>
Cc: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, "public-i18n-cjk@w3.org" <public-i18n-cjk@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20120223034221688422.01ded428@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Roland Steiner, Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:02:18 +0900:
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 07:24, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
>> 1. Are there anyone - apart from Ian - with a stake in this, that argue
>> that it should be column-major?
> 
> The current standard and implementations are column-major.

You mix it up, I think. If we take specs firsts, then according the 
letter from Koji that started this thread,[1] then [ignoring <rtc> and 
<rbc>] this is the XHTML Ruby module' model — 'row-major':

   <ruby><rb/><rb/><rb/> 
         <rt/><rt/><rt/><ruby>

While this is the model that Ian placed in HTML5  — 'column-major':

   <ruby><rb/><rt/><rb/>
         <rt/><rb/><rt/></ruby>

If we look at implementations, as long as we with 'support' have visual 
display in mind, then IE and Webkit appears to have some support for 
both models. [But if we consider what they present to find-in-page, 
screen readers or present as fallback with CSS disabled, then they only 
support row-major.]

Koji's description of 'row-major': '"row-major" approach; split first 
by rows and then by columns.'

>> 2. Do we agree that column-major - what is in HTML5 now - should be
>> non-conforming?
> 
> I don't think that's an option as it would break existing pages. A 
> solution should have graceful fallback to both the current standard 
> as well as to no <ruby> support.

I believe, when you said 'column-major', your really meant 'row-major', 
not? And if so, then we can conclude, that so far, everyone in this 
group is in favor of row-major.

The question I am still uncertain of, though, is whether anyone thing 
that HTML5's column-major needs to remain conforming. My opinion about 
that is negative - it need not and should not.

[1] 
http://www.w3.org/mid/A592E245B36A8949BDB0A302B375FB4E0D334EFCD6@MAILR001.mail.lan

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Leif Halvard Silli
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