Re: 3.11 A page's overall vertical scrollbar (WAS: RE: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML")

It seems to me that since scrollbar position is legitimately out of scope
for both CSS and HTML, we need to cover it in a new W3C document of
"recommendations" for user agent implementors.

Aharon

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Ehsan Akhgari <ehsan@mozilla.com> wrote:

> I'm not positive that this would get accepted into the CSS spec.  There are
> user agents today which do not use scrollbars as scrolling mechanisms, so I
> honestly am rethinking whether this makes sense as a CSS proposal at all...
>
> --
> Ehsan
> <http://ehsanakhgari.org/>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 7:04 PM, CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi, I wish there could be something in css.
>> > 3.11 A page's overall vertical scrollbar should be on the "end" side
>> relative to the user agent
>> > chrome direction
>> > Bug 10825 filed on HTML5.
>> > Proposes specifying that the user agent window's overall vertical
>> scrollbar should be located
>> > independent of the direction of any page element, despite being
>> otherwise controlled by the
>> > style of thebody element.
>> > Rejected as out-of-scope: “The HTML spec doesn't even require that there
>> be a window in the
>> > first place, let alone a scroll bar. Plus, user interface decisions are
>> explicitly left up to
>> > user agents since they represent quality-of-implementation issues and
>> not interoperability
>> > issues.”
>> > Close the bug?
>> > It appears likely that a proposal to add this to the CSS spec would also
>> be rejected, since “CSS> explicitly mentions only a *scrolling mechanism*
>> and considers out-of-scope how that mechanism
>> > is implemented. It could be scroll bars, or a little panner map in the
>> corner, arrow buttons
>> > along each edge of the box, or a joystick control with no on-screen
>> representation, or something
>> > else.”
>>
>> ME: However, but I am not the one to decide this, I can see the vertical
>> scrollbar's alignment as a possible future css value for the overflow
>> attribute -- overflow: scrollleft ; overflow: scrollright (or this would
>> have to be verticaloverflow maybe? Of course scrollleft and scrollright
>> would only apply to vertical overflow obviously so no need to specify
>> vertical).  Is this out of scope?
>>
>> Best,
>> --C. E. Whitehead
>> cewcathar@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> > From: aharon@google.com
>> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:30:30 -0800
>> > To: public-i18n-bidi@w3.org
>> > Subject: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for Bidi in
>> HTML"
>> >
>> > Here is an implementation status
>> > document summarizing
>> > the status of each proposal. I will continue to update it as the status
>> > continues to change.
>> >
>> > If some part of the status is not to your liking, you are most welcome
>> > to contribute to the discussion on the various bugs and threads linked
>> > by the document while it is still possible to change things. Or, if you
>> > can try to get a consensus here on public-i18n-bidi first.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Aharon
>>
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