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Re: A successor to framesets

From: Andrea Rendine <master.skywalker.88@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 23:15:01 +0200
Message-ID: <CAGxST9=DhQt3eMdGqP0Hu=jdiPFKKafT1+-fFmqtQ4UUNHuN-A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sean Hogan <shogun70@gmail.com>
Cc: Eihab Ibrahim <eihabibrahim@gmail.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Sean,
but HyperFrameset relies on JS. So what's the difference between that and
Angular?
I mean, the difference is that there's a native page with main content and
JS only enhances it by means of adding interactive elements around main
content. And by "interactive elements" I mean tags (in this case custom
tags, so it isn't even native HTML) whose content is updated on an XHR
basis.
For what I see it is not a matter of implementing it natively. It's just a
new JS framework. It is somehow declarative, as the page is already built
and static elements are replaced by script. But... that's it, right?
Yours respectfully,
Andrea

2015-04-02 22:54 GMT+02:00 Sean Hogan <shogun70@gmail.com>:

> Hi Eihab,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what you mean by "sub-titles
> on", but the video is really the best way to demonstrate the failure
> modes of JS framework based sites.
>
> If I provide a list of the demos - with start times and a detailed
> description of what they demonstrate - would that be constructive?
>
> regards,
> Sean
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Eihab Ibrahim <eihabibrahim@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > Have you tried watching the video with Subtitles turned on?
> >
> > I apologize for the confusion on my part, but I assure you it was not an
> > impulsive response to a subject line. I sincerely thought that the
> YouTube
> > submission was a prank.
> >
> > Please resubmit your proposal in a more accessible format and I'll be
> more
> > than happy to review it and give feedback if I can.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Eihab
> >
> >
> > On 4/1/2015 10:44 PM, Sean Hogan wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Eihab,
> >>
> >> Are you saying that if I had posted this on, say, the 2nd April then
> >> you would have given it proper consideration instead of just
> >> responding to the Subject: line?
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Sean
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Eihab Ibrahim <eihabibrahim@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Sean,
> >>>
> >>> It's a bit too early in the US for April fools' jokes, and I do not
> think
> >>> this is an appropriate platform for it.
> >>>
> >>> Respectfully,
> >>>
> >>> Eihab
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Sean Hogan <shogun70@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> HTML framesets were the original single-page-application.
> >>>
> >>> Despite the flaws (mostly not being content-first), at least servers
> >>> were emitting reasonably simple HTML including real hyperlinks and
> >>> forms.
> >>>
> >>> What would framesets be like if we designed them today?
> >>>
> >>> In the linked video I make the case for a successor to framesets.
> >>> It is 25 minutes but that is unavoidable.
> >>>
> >>>     https://youtu.be/qVdAc8_ppao
> >>>
> >>> The first half illustrates *why* this is important / better than
> >>> alternatives,
> >>> with actual demonstrations (which you should try for yourself to
> >>> ensure I'm not cheating).
> >>>
> >>> The second half provides some insight into how I've approached this,
> >>> again with demonstrations.
> >>>
> >>> I'll continue later with details of the differences / enhancements
> >>> required to make the frameset concept live up to today's expectations.
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >> .
> >>
> >
>
>
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