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Re: What is (the status of) a 'Group note'

From: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:54:07 +0200
To: "John Foliot" <john@foliot.ca>, "W3C Public HTML" <public-html@w3.org>, "Willem-Siebe Spoelstra" <info@spoelstra.ws>
Message-ID: <op.xjrywhdoy3oazb@chaals.local>
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:52:28 +0200, Willem-Siebe Spoelstra  
<info@spoelstra.ws> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> But how do you know when a 'Working Group Note' is finished, when this  
> also can indicate a 'initial state of a technical report'? Besides that,  
> I always find >'Group notes' under the 'Completed work' section...

Basically a Note is  "anything the group wants to publish that isn't a  
Recommendation, or a draft working towards one".

In the proposed new process for W3C this has been clarified:  
http://www.w3.org/2014/05/Process-20140506/tr.html isn't the latest  
editor's draft, but should give you enough idea.

And the answer to the question "what is (the status of) *this note I am  
reading*?" should be provided by the status section of the document itself.

cheers

Chaals

>
>> About the 'Note' you are talking about, this is what I read about that  
>> from the same link I provided:
>
>> Note: To avoid confusion in the developer community and the media about  
>> which documents represent the output of >chartered groups and which  
>> documents are input to W3C Activities (Member Submissions and Team  
>> Submissions), W3C >has stopped using the unqualified maturity level  
>> "Note."
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Willem-Siebe Spoelstra
>
> E-mail: info@spoelstra.ws
> Blog: spoelstra.ws
>
>
>
> 2014-07-20 2:08 GMT+02:00 John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>:
>>
>> Hi Willem,
>>
>>
>> Others may respond publicly, and contradict me - if so they may know  
>> better.  However, my understanding is that a Group Note >>indicates  
>> that work started, got as far as "xx" and then stopped, for whatever  
>> reason, and never made it to Recommendation. It is (I >>believe) a  
>> working draft that has stalled or stopped, and that the group believes  
>> it will not resume.
>>
>> The "note" is retained primarily for legacy and research reasons.
>>
>>
>> In the case of microdata, from within the HTML5 Working Group, as I  
>> recall, most participants felt that because Schema.org, and the >>major  
>> consumers of metadata like that (Google, Bing, et al) were more  
>> interested in the schema.org protocol, that continued work on  
>> >>microdata was - if not pointless, of little value. Only Yandex (at  
>> the time) was interested in moving forward with microdata, but an  
>> >>editor to continue the work could not be found. So microdata is now  
>> "sitting on a shelf", never "finished" but of some historical value.
>>
>> Thus it is now a "Working Group Note".
>>
>>
>> (Note: AFAIK, there is also another kind of Note at the W3C - a  
>> document that is informative but will never be normative. For example  
>> >>this http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-accessibility-reqs/ will  
>> ultimately be published as a formal Note, as it is undergoing a formal  
>> >>review, but will never be normative in the traditional sense of that  
>> word)
>>
>>
>> Make sense?
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> JF
>>
>>
>> From: wsspoelstra@gmail.com [mailto:wsspoelstra@gmail.com] On Behalf Of  
>> Willem-Siebe Spoelstra
>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 1:47 PM
>> To: W3C Public HTML
>> Subject: What is (the status of) a 'Group note'
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I'm confused! I trie to understand the meaning and status of the  
>> technical rapport found here: http://www.w3.org/TR/.  Reading this  
>> helped me a lot to >>understand the levels:  
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#maturity-levels.
>>
>>
>> But I'm still confused about the levels for a 'Group note'. It tells me:
>>
>>
>> The maturity levels "Working Draft" and "Working Group Note" represent  
>> the possible initial states of a technical report in the development  
>> process. The >>maturity levels "Recommendation," "Working Group Note,"  
>> and "Rescinded Recommendation" represent the possible end states.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> So the maturity level 'Working Group Note' is indicating a initial  
>>>> state and the end state. Can somebody explain me that?
>>
>>
>> And what is exactly 'Group note'? I read:
>>
>>
>> A Working Group Note is published by a chartered Working Group to  
>> indicate that work has ended on a particular topic
>>
>>
>> Let's take the 'Group note' about HTML Microdata >  
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/. Why is this a 'Group note' and not a  
>> 'Recommendatio'n?
>>
>>
>> Vriendelijke groet,
>>
>>
>> Willem-Siebe Spoelstra
>>
>>
>> E-mail: info@spoelstra.ws
>>
>> Blog: spoelstra.ws
>



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