Re: 4.13.1 Bread crumb navigation - use of right angle brackets

>webaim screen reader survey includes a question (q 17) about breadcrumbs
http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey5/

results now available:

Which of the Breadcrumb examples on this page (link opens a new
windows/tab)<http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey5/breadcrumbs.htm>do
you prefer?
Response# of Respondents% of Respondents #1 - Unordered List15611.9% #2 -
Ordered List36427.8% #3 - Nested List967.3% #4 - Text26820.4% I Don't Know
42732.6%

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 21 December 2013 09:08, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Leif,
>
> webaim screen reader survey includes a question (q 17) about breadcrumbs
> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey5/
>
> this will hopefully provide some useful data on the various mark patterns.
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>
>
> On 12 November 2013 12:55, Leif H. Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no
> > wrote:
>
>> In my view, Steve has shown his thinking. The breadcrumb does not
>> represent a hierarchy, it represents a path across a hierarchy. Hence, it
>> is juat fine that a list does not represent a hierarchy.
>>
>> My addition: A path is an unordered list in the sense that another path
>> to the same end point might also be possible, depending on  how the web
>> site is configured.
>>
>> Leif Halvard Silli
>>
>> "Jens O. Meiert" 12.11.2013, 06:08
>> Til: "Jukka K. Korpela"; Steve Faulkner
>> Kopi: W3C Public HTML
>> Emne: Re: 4.13.1 Bread crumb navigation - use of right angle brackets
>>
>>
>> > > feedback from (AT) users appears to indicate that when there are
>> links of
>> > > lists its useful to have them marked up as a list.
>> >
>> > I wonder what the specific issue is there. Which software is this about?
>> > What is the difference, from the user perspective, between
>> <nav><ul><li><a
>> > href=...>...</a>...</ul></nav> and a <nav> containing just <a> elements
>> with
>> > some separators, like “→”, between them? How much does this matter, and
>> > why?
>> >
>> > Any effect should be weighed against the obvious effect that in any
>> non-CSS
>> > rendering situation, the breadcrumb becomes a bulleted list. A bulleted
>> list
>> > indicates, in any normal usage, a simple list of items – it does not
>> > indicate a hierarchy, rather lack thereof.
>>
>> +1.
>>
>> Steve, do you mind sharing specifics? What AT users, and how many?
>> What does “appear” mean? And what were they asked? (If asked how to
>> mark up a list, I’d also say using a list. But here we ask how to
>> markup breadcrumbs.)
>>
>> --
>> Jens O. Meiert
>> http://meiert.com/en/
>>
>> ✍ New book! http://meiert.com/everyday-adventurer
>>
>>
>>
>