Re: is it necessary to disambiguate (using markup) inline notes,citations and original markup? [was] use of <mark> to denote notes in quoted text

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SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 9 September 2013 10:14, Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 19:19:45 +0400, Steve Faulkner <
> faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Have changed the subject line as i want to ask  different, but related
>> questions
>>
>> Is it necessary to disambiguate (using markup) inline notes and citations
>> within quotations?
>>
>
> I am not convinced that it is. It would be useful, if it were to be used
> well. There are typographical conventions for this, which is a kind of
> markup. But it depends how well quoting is used on the web...
>
>
Right, as the result of discussion (Jukkas comments) on a related thread I
have updated the definition

The content of a
blockquote<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element>may
be abbreviated, may have context added or may have added in-line
notes.
> Any such additions or changes to quoted text must be indicated in the text
> (at the text level). This may mean the use of notational conventions or
> explicit remarks, such as "emphasis mine".
>
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element


>
>  Is it necessary to disambiguate code used in quoted text from code added
>> by the author doing the quoting?
>>
>
> Is it common to have code marked as quoted?
>

I may not have been clear, what some people are concerned about is the
provenance of code inside the blockquote

example:

<blockquote> This is <em>emphasised</em></blockquote>

 The source could have been

This is <i>emphasised</i>

or

This is <font style="font-style:italic">emphasised</font>

I think that the provenance of any code used inside a blockquote should
only be assumed to be from the author(s) of the page the blockquote is used
on.








> cheers
>
> Chaals
>
>  please read http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/**#using-footer<http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/#using-footer>and the following,
>> sections
>>
>> My feeling is that the content of a quote is the text not the markup.
>>
>> thoughts
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> SteveF
>> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/**drafts/html/master/<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 September 2013 20:18, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I have  been mulling over use of <mark>
>>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/**drafts/html/master/text-level-**
>>> semantics.html#the-mark-**element<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/text-level-semantics.html#the-mark-element>to
>>> denote notes added to quoted text
>>>
>>> example:
>>>
>>> <blockquote>
>>>  "That monster custom, who all sense doth eat
>>>  Of habit's devil," <mark> not in Folio </mark>
>>>  "What a falling off was there !
>>>  From me, whose love was of that dignity
>>>  That it went hand in hand even with the vow
>>>  I made to her in marriage, and to decline
>>>  Upon a wretch."
>>>  </blockquote>
>>>
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> SteveF
>>> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/**drafts/html/master/<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>
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