Re: allow footer in blockquote for citations

thanks, will fix.

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Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 4 September 2013 16:50, Michael Zajac <mzajac@gmail.com> wrote:

> The blockquote code example which includes rel="author" implies that this
> means that the linked resource has information about the author of the
> content in the parent blockquote element. But this doesn’t conform to
> 4.12.5.2 Link type "author", which says:
>
> “For a and area elements, the author keyword indicates that the referenced
> document provides further information about the author of the nearest
> *article element* ancestor of the element defining the hyperlink, if there
> is one, or of the page as a whole, otherwise.”
>
>  http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/links.html#link-type-author
>
> MZ.
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>
> On 2013-09-03, at 12:42, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andrew,
> > After looking at markup patterns people use I have updated the
> definition of blockquote, to allow use of cite for in-text attribution.
> >
> >
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
> >
> > feedback welcome!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > SteveF
> > HTML 5.1
> >
> >
> > On 29 August 2013 13:29, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Andrew,
> > thanks for the clarification, understand now. initial reasoning is to
> keep metadata in an element that is recognised now by assistive tech (for
> example) as containing  "information about its section such as who wrote
> it, links to related documents, copyright data, and the like."
> >
> > but from the use cases/examples provided on
> http://oli.jp/example/blockquote-metadata/
> > it would be appropriate to provide a identify to include in line
> references and cite seems like a good candidate.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > SteveF
> > HTML 5.1
> >
> >
> > On 29 August 2013 10:46, Andrew Herrington <a.d.herrington@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I think my query wasn't clear.
> >
> > I generally support the change in the spec but I don't understand why
> we're requiring the attribution (if there is one) inside the block quote to
> be inside a footer element (see bolded part below)
> >
> > "Attribution for the quotation, may be be placed inside the blockquote
> element, but must be inside a footer element"
> >
> > Point 2 on
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html seems
> to back the assumption that most people use the pattern:
> >
> > <blockquote>
> > Blah blah
> > <cite><a href=”http://example.com/foo”>A person</a></cite>
> > </blockquote>
> >
> > rather than:
> >
> > <blockquote>
> > Blah blah
> > <footer><cite><a href=”http://example.com/foo”>A
> person</a></cite><footer>
> > </blockquote>
> >
> > I think footer should still be allowed (for anything that doesn't fit
> inside a cite element) but I think we should allow the first pattern as
> people are using it and it has semantic value.
> >
> >
> > KInd regards,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 Aug 2013, at 10:21, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Andrew,
> >>
> >>> Apologies if I missed this but what is the reason for requiring the
> citation to be in a footer
> >>
> >> its not a requirement,
> >> its a relaxing of current requirements to allow for a common use, while
> providing a way to indicate "this is metadata about the quote"
> >>
> >> suggest reading-
> >>
> >> new (proposed):
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
> >>
> >> old:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
> >>
> >> change based on:
> >>      • https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22996 (note: am
> not closing bug as this discussion has some time to run yet)
> >>      • http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2013/on-citing-quotations-again/
> >>      • http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/
> >>      • http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/
> >>      •
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html and
> related
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> SteveF
> >> HTML 5.1
> >>
> >>
> >> On 29 August 2013 10:15, Andrew Herrington <a.d.herrington@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Apologies if I missed this but what is the reason for requiring the
> citation to be in a footer within the blockquote? Is this in case the quote
> itself contains a citation?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >> On 29 Aug 2013, at 09:55, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> some details:
> >>>
> >>> new (proposed):
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
> >>>
> >>> old:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
> >>>
> >>> change based on:
> >>>     • https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22996 (note: am
> not closing bug as this discussion has some time to run yet)
> >>>     • http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2013/on-citing-quotations-again/
> >>>     • http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/
> >>>     • http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/
> >>>     •
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html and
> related
> >>> question:
> >>>
> >>> Is the change backwards compatible? i.e. does it break anything?
> >>> data appears to show that metadata about a quote inside blockquote
> element is common
> >>> ”inside blockquote” was used 57% of the time, while
> >>> “outside blockquote” was used 43% of the time.
> >>>
> >>> source:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> SteveF
> >>> HTML 5.1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 29 August 2013 07:53, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I have made a change in the HTML 5.1 editors draft to allow citations
> to be included in a footer element within a blockquote element.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> review and comment welcome!
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> SteveF
> >>> HTML 5.1
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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