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Re: Proposal: Provide better advice on constraint validation instructions

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:21:48 +0000
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VnmyhHYPxQQEyYBG71LnnMnLRcbxarW-kDuNm7vYD6-0w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
>But, at least seen from a VoiceOver perspective, there are some
>drawbacks to the solutions you propose. Also, I’m sure many authors
>would like to have invisible help tags/descriptions.

there are drawbacks to all of the methods, its a matter fo finding the one
that is simplest, most robust and works for the greatest number of people.

Recommending that the text is provided as text on screen benefits a wide
range of users that are currently locked out by the use of the title

That is the thrust of the change.

The examples I suggested are simple and robust which is why i suggested

with regards

SteveF <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>

On 14 March 2013 20:11, Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no
> wrote:

> Steve Faulkner, Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:13:31 +0000:
> >>
> >> I don't understand why you keep telling me what the AX inspector says
> >> when I have made I it so very clear that I fully trust that you give
> >> accurate information about the AX inspector.
> >
> > I was talking about what voicoever announced not what inspector displayed
> OK. Having switched VoiceOver to English, I can verify. My very bad.
> > * I have explained to you about repeated text - and no repeated texts.
> >
> > you have drawn a conclusion about repeated text, not one that I share
> based
> > on experience with observing how users interact with forms.
> More attention than conclusion, IMO.
> To a VoiceOver user, what comes across as most 'clean'? The title
> attribute solution currently in the text, or one or both of your
> proposed replacement examples?
> If L = 'Part number', H = the instruction text and E = cue to edit the
> text field, then the VoiceOver experiences can be summarized like so:˙
>   Current spec: LHLE
> Your example 1: LLHEH
> Your example 2: LLEH
> All the above are automatically read to the user. The difference
> between your two examples w.r.t. what is automatically read to the user
> before the edit text cue, is interesting.
> Regarding help tag upon request: In the current spec example, the title
> attribute is used as help tag text. In your first example, there is no
> specific 'help tag', as VO sees it - everything is read if the user
> asks for help tag. In your second example, the aria-describedby text is
> used as help tag.
> To me, the behavior that the current spec example generates, seems more
> straight forward. But of course, I don't have not observed users using
> a form. Neither do I know how other ATs present the examples.
> But, at least seen from a VoiceOver perspective, there are some
> drawbacks to the solutions you propose. Also, I’m sure many authors
> would like to have invisible help tags/descriptions.
> --
> Leif Halvard Silli
Received on Thursday, 14 March 2013 20:23:00 UTC

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