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RE: Is the current definition of the article element in HTML useful?

From: Léonie Watson <tink@tink.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:51:47 -0000
To: "'Steve Faulkner'" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "'Bruce Lawson'" <brucel@opera.com>
Cc: <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000101cdf970$caee7150$60cb53f0$@tink.co.uk>
Steve Faulkner wrote:
"another question is whether using a list would be useful/helpful? Leonie?

as  a list provides a set size and ability to skip over it or drill into
nested lists if present etc. Or are list semantics too verbose?

<h2> Two comments</h2>
<ol>
<li>lol
<li>u SUK
</ol>"

Lists would be a happy medium I should think. They represent the related
semantics of a comments thread, but with much less verbosity.  

Your example would be announced something like:

"List of 2 items."
Bullet. LOL."
"Bullet. You suck."
"List end."

If the list style type was set to none (which seems quite likely in this
instance), many screen readers wouldn't announce "Bullet" before each list
item either.

Screen reader users would have the ability to navigate by list or list
items, so navigability/skimming would still be feasible. Technically it's
possible to navigate by div in some screen readers, but given that a div is
an unknown concept to most web users, that's a moot point.


Léonie.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com] 
Sent: 23 January 2013 13:35
To: Bruce Lawson
Cc: public-html@w3.org; Léonie Watson
Subject: Re: Is the current definition of the article element in HTML
useful?

another question is whether using a list would be useful/helpful? Leonie?

as  a list provides a set size and ability to skip over it or drill into
nested lists if present etc. Or are list semantics too verbose?

<h2> Two comments</h2>
<ol>
<li>lol
<li>u SUK
</ol>

regards
SteveF

On 23 January 2013 13:06, Bruce Lawson <brucel@opera.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:52:43 -0000, Léonie Watson <tink@tink.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> When article elements are nested, the inner article elements 
>> represent self-contained compositions that are related to the 
>> contents of the outer article. For instance a website that features 
>> book reviews could represent an image of a book cover and its cover 
>> text as an article, nested within the article element for the book 
>> review.
>
>
> Is there a reason for any semanric to describe a comment, though? does 
> anyone benefit from
>
> <article>
> <h1>My wonderful Mankini</h1>
> There's only one letter difference between "mankini" and "mankind".
>
> <h2> Two comments</h2>
>
> <article>lol</article>
> <article>u SUK</article>
>
> </article>
>
> over
>
> <article>
> <h1>My wonderful Mankini</h1>
> There's only one letter difference between "mankini" and "mankind".
>
> <h2> Two comments</h2>
>
> <div>lol</div>
> <div>u SUK</div>
>
> </article>
>
> ?
>
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