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Re: Modify blockquote element definition to allow citations

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:04:12 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+Vk3KYmjm+G=joUZ_PxQNvnwa21YnnHxSLs7VXg2KcpK-Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Jukka K. Korpela" <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Hi JUkka,

How did you infer that? A quick look at five first examples suggests the
> opposite. Blockquote is used for "setting apart" (with indentation)
> important passages, and only casually for something that could be regarded
> as a quotation from an external source.
>

 I went through a large sample of the pages and reviewed visually, noting
what looked to me to be actual quotes rather than indented text.

If you disagree please feel free to make a more formal review of the sample.


In any case, blockquote is far too established to be removed or changed.
>

I think we well are past the idea of removing blockquote, we have moved on
to looking at tweaking the definition to be more in line with what authors
find useful and what has the possibility of improving the semantics as
exposed to users (such as AT user for example).

.i.e. removing restrictions to use currently in the spec and which most
authors ignore anyway

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 19 August 2013 14:52, Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>wrote:

> 2013-08-19 11:58, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>
>> I have made some data available:
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.**com/u/377471/html5bq/index.**html<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/377471/html5bq/index.html>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> observations:
>>
>>   * blockquote usage from these pages appears to be largely for its
>>     intended use.
>>
>>  How did you infer that? A quick look at five first examples suggests the
> opposite. Blockquote is used for "setting apart" (with indentation)
> important passages, and only casually for something that could be regarded
> as a quotation from an external source.
>
> Perhaps you counted the use of blockquote for blog and forum entries as
> being "for its intended use". In such cases, there is normally no external
> source where the text could have been quoted. A visitor's contribution is
> not a quotation (though it could be quoted elsewhere, referring to the blog
> or forum as source).
>
> In any case, blockquote is far too established to be removed or changed.
> Its real effect is to set default margins on all sides, and the HTML5 CR
> more or less standardizes this. Everything else is really just talk about
> principles that people should apply when using this element, which is
> rather idle, unless there are some real projects going on, aiming at doing
> something based on some "semantic" definition for blockquote.
>
> --
> Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~**jkorpela/ <http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/>
>
>
>
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