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[Bug 19064] New: 'input type=time' forbids legitimate use case

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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:03:06 +0000
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19064

           Summary: 'input type=time' forbids legitimate use case
           Product: HTML WG
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: All
            Status: NEW
          Keywords: NE, NoReply
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: HTML5 spec
        AssignedTo: dave.null@w3.org
        ReportedBy: contributor@whatwg.org
         QAContact: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org
                CC: ian@hixie.ch, mike@w3.org,
                    public-html-wg-issue-tracking@w3.org,
                    public-html@w3.org


This was was cloned from bug 7688 as part of operation LATER convergence.
Originally filed: 2009-09-21 17:20:00 +0000
Original reporter: Carlos Amengual <listas@informatica.info>

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 #0   Carlos Amengual                                 2009-09-21 17:20:52 +0000 
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input type=time has the 'max' and 'min' attributes to check the value range.
And 'min' is mandated to be lesser than 'max'. For example,

<input type="time" min="23:00:00" max="01:00:00">

would be considered non-conformant (see
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0832.html).

However, a time of 23:00:00 is not always later than 01:00:00. For night times,
it makes perfect sense to allow times between 23h and 01h.

I suggest to add something like "When min is greater than max, UAs will assume
it to be a valid midnight-crossing interval", after the description of the min
and max attributes.
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 #1   Ian 'Hixie' Hickson                             2009-09-29 07:53:34 +0000 
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Interesting feature request.

I haven't added this at this time, because doing so is actually a pretty major
change to the spec (it'd involve a refactoring of the way min="" and max="" are
implemented, as well as some changes to validation, step="", and other aspects
of the spec), but I've noted it as a feature for a future version. It
definitely seems like something that would be reasonably added in the future,
and I don't see why we couldn't add it later (it's a backwards-compatible
change as far as I can tell).
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 #2   contributor@whatwg.org                          2009-09-29 07:55:12 +0000 
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Checked in as WHATWG revision r4034.
Check-in comment: Note the idea of <input type=time> having an allowed range
crossing midnight.
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=4033&to=4034
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 #3   Carlos Amengual                                 2009-09-29 16:43:25 +0000 
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(In reply to comment #1)
> I don't see why we couldn't add it later (it's a backwards-compatible
> change as far as I can tell).

Not sure. If the proposed change cannot be done at this time, perhaps adding
something like "authors should note that setting min>max on a form field is not
a valid way to alter form behaviour" could make sense, to avoid misuses that
could break with future changes.
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 #4   Ian 'Hixie' Hickson                             2009-09-29 22:40:32 +0000 
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The spec currently says:

"The max attribute's value (the maximum) must not be less than the min
attribute's value (its minimum).

If an element has a maximum that is less than its minimum, then so long as the
element has a value, it will either be suffering from an underflow or suffering
from an overflow."

...so validators will flag this as an error for now, which should help with
your concern.
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 #5   Maciej Stachowiak                               2010-03-14 14:51:32 +0000 
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 #6   Carlos Amengual                                 2010-04-19 10:33:36 +0000 
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I did not receive any email with the text in comment #5, so could not reply in
time.

This bug has the status of VERIFIED/LATER, hope this means that the "no longer
a pending comment" policy does not apply. At least, not in the sense that it
won't be considered in the future, as the current behaviour in the spec breaks
POLA: for example, you can filter between 22 and 23 hours, but not the next
hour between 23 and 0.
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