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Re: ISSUE-30: longdesc "InstateLongdesc" - outlook

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 14:21:04 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VnTcFHtpOD5ZNxkO31UaU27VC-zWWGXQuuiWT+ZM+yxqw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>, Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>
Hi Sam,

> As this may take some time to resolve, I would like to Robin Berjon to scope
> out what it would take to split out all ARIA integration from the HTML
> document into a separate spec that could proceed at a different pace from
> the rest of the document, and with the intent that said document could
> become a joint deliverable of the HTML WG and the PFWG.
>
> It looks like there currently are approximately 150 occurrences.
>
> $ grep "\baria\b" source | wc -l
> 149

As one of the people who has spent the last 5 years working on getting
ARIA integrated into HTML5 I find the suggestion of removing it
entirely because of one isolated issue, odiuous and inappropriate.

We have worked through many, many issues on ARIA integration and while
I am not entirely satisfied with the result, it is much better to have
it in than out. I cannot fathom why this would be even be suggested.

I for one would rigorously object to any such moves.

regards
SteveF

On 4 September 2012 23:03, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> On 08/30/2012 04:58 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 00:09 -0400, Judy Brewer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Given the dependency on an unknown date (decision availability
>>>> on Issue 204), and the overlap with scheduled vacations, we
>>>> request a date of [Issue 204 decision availability] + 3 weeks,
>>>> with the understanding that if we can have it ready earlier we
>>>> will do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> After doing some back and forth on this, including looking at the
>>> impact on the timeline, I suggest that the Chairs start the survey
>>> related to issue 30 on August 31st, and no later than that. If
>>> changes have to be made to any of the change proposals, those must
>>> be made before August 30th, 5PM EDT.
>>
>>
>> At the request of the Director and the W3C Team, the Chairs are
>> holding off on the ISSUE-30 survey until an unknown time, but no
>> sooner than Wednesday next week.
>
>
> The latest outlook has now been revised to be "no sooner than 11 Sept".
>
> Current status on the expedited formal objection[1] is that it identifies a
> single paragraph to be removed.  Two proposed replacements have been
> identified:
>
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18744#c0
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18745#c2
>
> We have some indication that WAI ARIA would be the right place to discuss
> proposed wording:
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Aug/0284.html
>
> No time schedule was mentioned for providing said wording.
>
> The same minutes suggested that "jurisdiction" was a key concern.  The
> formal objection itself makes a similar case.
>
> As this may take some time to resolve, I would like to Robin Berjon to scope
> out what it would take to split out all ARIA integration from the HTML
> document into a separate spec that could proceed at a different pace from
> the rest of the document, and with the intent that said document could
> become a joint deliverable of the HTML WG and the PFWG.
>
> It looks like there currently are approximately 150 occurrences.
>
> $ grep "\baria\b" source | wc -l
> 149
>
> Note: this request is just to scope out the effort, not to make the changes.
> The request is to get this information together -- possibly incomplete -- by
> September 11, noon ET.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
>



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Steve Faulkner
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