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Re: ISSUE-201: Aligning the two change proposals

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:14:35 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VmOgBvydmOXP5omR-adGcyDKbU4iOtC5kqoZid=pnnTPg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Charles Pritchard <chuck@jumis.com>
Cc: "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
hi Charles,

I think you and I are pretty much in agreement as regards the unbacked
regions and I am not seeing any substantive arguments or use cases for them
from advocates as currently defined.


On 9 July 2012 21:47, Charles Pritchard <chuck@jumis.com> wrote:

> On Jul 9, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com> wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > You wrote:
> >
> >>> "Each hit region has an associated control, which is either an
> >>> element or an unbacked region description. You pass in the control
> >>> when you call addHitRegion()."
> >>
> >> to clarify, regions only have a control when they have an associated
> >> element. so unbacked regions don't have a control right?
> >
> > No; if you reread the quoted bit above, you'll see that a control is
> > either an element or an unbacked region description.
> >
> >> If the list of roles allowed on unbacked regions is constrained to
> >> those that make sense, then I could live with the rest of the concept.
> >
> > I'd rather not add an explicit whitelist of allowed roles; instead, I'd
> > rather the WAI-ARIA spec have some prose describing the sorts of roles
> > that can be used with such constructs.
> ARIA requires structure not available in this API. It seems that the main
> case for unbacked regions is to handle data heavy scatter charts where the
> hit points are not in the DOM (in a table tag). Are there other use cases?
> In relation to ARIA, it seems we ought to drop the role attribute and just
> label them as "group"; the alternative seems to be to pick up aria
> attributes in bulk and allow the full aria language. Both of those seem to
> work with existing specs.
> I still think these unbacked regions are risky; we can't run .focus, not
> enumerate, nor much else. But, if we're making them a feature, let's do it
> right. Full ARIA spec or just leave aria out of it and identify them as
> generic "group" to the a11y platform.

with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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