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RE: revert request for spec change http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609&to=6610

From: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
To: "'Richard Schwerdtfeger'" <schwer@us.ibm.com>, "'Steve Faulkner'" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Ian Hickson'" <ian@hixie.ch>, "'Maciej Stachowiak'" <mjs@apple.com>, "'Paul Cotton'" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "'HTMLWG WG'" <public-html@w3.org>, "'HTML Accessibility Task Force'" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "'Sam Ruby'" <rubys@intertwingly.net>, <jbrewer@w3.org>
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I add my support to this request.  How does this continue to happen? When
will the editor realize that this is not "his" specification, and that
working group decisions cannot be over-turned at his whim?

 

I will ask that the chairs also make this a priority revert, and look
forward to confirmation.

 

JF

 

 

From: public-html-a11y-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-html-a11y-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Schwerdtfeger
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Steve Faulkner
Cc: Ian Hickson; Maciej Stachowiak; Paul Cotton; HTMLWG WG; HTML
Accessibility Task Force; Sam Ruby; jbrewer@w3.org
Subject: Re: revert request for spec change
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609&to=6610

 

I support a revert. The chairs have already reached consensus on the use
of role for these elements. No formal proposal was made and even if it was
no evidence was provided to support these assertions which Ian has simply
raised again without formal proposal. 

Should this be allowed I would argue that all members be allowed editor
writes to change the spec. whenever they please. 

Rich


Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group

Inactive hide details for Steve Faulkner ---10/02/2011 07:27:12 AM---Dear
Chairs, The html5 editor has made a conformance changSteve Faulkner
---10/02/2011 07:27:12 AM---Dear Chairs, The html5 editor has made a
conformance change to the a element in respect

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>,
Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Maciej Stachowiak
<mjs@apple.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, HTML Accessibility Task Force
<public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Date: 10/02/2011 07:27 AM
Subject: revert request for spec change
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609
<http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609&to=6610> &to=6610

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Dear Chairs, 
The html5 editor has made a conformance change to the a element in respect
to theARIA  roles that can be used.
 
The conformance requirements present in the spec prior to the change were
the result of this working group decision
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0005.html
 
subsequently a bug was filed:
 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13265#c0
 
this bug proffers no new data or evidence, it simply states:
 
"Should disallow <a> elements to be made into buttons, checkboxes, radio
buttons, tabs, or tree items, since those are all semantic abuse"
 
On the baseis of the above comment the editor made the change. The
rationale provided by the editor proffered no new data or evidence only
vague staments about 'hurting accessibility'
 
Vague unsubstantiated statements are not sufficient to override a working
group decision, Changing the conformance requirements  because "Hixie said
so" is not a convincing reason as hixie himself [1] said so recently. 
 
 
 I therefor request that this change be reverted
(http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609
<http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609&to=6610> &to=6610).

If the editor can bring new data to the working group then of course the
issue can be reconsidered
 
-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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