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Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1)

From: Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 16:34:08 -0800
Message-ID: <CAOACb=LaJcb2dsQ-UfL8F-YRm_ODr6Z0YLsO0N76rh9AMu4zow@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Marat Tanalin | tanalin.com" <mtanalin@yandex.ru>
Cc: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, public-html@w3.org
Hi Marat,

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:20, Marat Tanalin | tanalin.com
<mtanalin@yandex.ru> wrote:
> 11.11.2011, 02:14, "Sam Ruby" <rubys@intertwingly.net>:
>
>> I encourage people to focus on creating concrete proposals, ideally on
>> the wiki.
>
> My proposals for TIME element:
> http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Mtanalin/time_element

Thanks very much for writing up your proposals for improving the time element.

Sam has asked me to analyze your proposals and see if we can work
together to achieve consensus on at least aspects of our proposals.
Here's a start.


> Topics concerned:

I'd like to work together on each topic one-by-one to see if we can
achieve consensus, if even incrementally.


> * Simplify datetime syntax
> http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Mtanalin/time_element#h-simplify-datetime

Let's start with the first part of this proposal, which is to

"Avoid "T" as date/time separator, and use space character (U+0020) instead"

The "T" separator comes from the ISO8601 syntax, and while not ideal I
don't think it is necessary to drop it, and supporting a syntax that
from an established standard has its own benefits.

However, your suggestion of permitting a "space character (U+0020)
instead" is a good improvement, and one that makes sense to me.

I've documented it with a bit more detail, and included research on
existing support for use of a space character to separate date and
time in the Time element page on the WHATWG wiki (referencing your
proposal as inspiration).

[1] http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Time_element#permit_space_instead_of_T_in_datetimes

Please let me know if that reflects your intent.

I've updated my enhance time element proposal[2] to:

a) drop discussion of pubdate (which is covered by a different change
proposal and issue) since we differ on this, and can follow-up
separately/orthogonally.

b) incorporate the year-week enhancement (since there doesn't seem to
be any objections to this)

c) incorporate the space instead of "T" enhancement you proposed per
the documentation/research on the time element page [1]

[2] http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/time_element


With the removal of the "drop pubdate" portion, and the addition of
the date-space-time microsyntax, please let me know if you can live
with the  change proposal[2] overall, as that will allow us to make
progress on resolving issue 183[3]:

[3] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183

Thanks,

Tantek
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