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Re: request to the HTML WG Chairs on ISSUE-129 aria-mapping

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:39:51 +0100
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=w26gD1+_B+oPifu05z1DXDOsY9w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Hi Maciej,
>As far as I'm concerned: "Using the spec text supplied" was not part of the
decision. Implementing the decision is required. Doing it one particular way
or another, >e.g. using someone's provided spec text, is optional.

Ok so I believe that implementing the decision as per Ian's interpretation
will reduce consensus. I will file a formal objection if the chairs consider
that is the required course of action to resolve the issue.

regards
Stevef

On 11 April 2011 09:25, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:

>
> As far as I'm concerned: "Using the spec text supplied" was not part of the
> decision. Implementing the decision is required. Doing it one particular way
> or another, e.g. using someone's provided spec text, is optional.
>
> Regards,
> Maciej
>
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>
> Hi Maciej
>
>  there was never any intention to remove the default roles for h1-h6
>
> This is reflected in the spec text changes supplied.  Using the spec text
> supplied will increase consensus, leaving the current text will reduce
> consensus so it is up to the chairs to decide which course they want to
> follow.
>
> Regards
> Stevef
>
> On 11 Apr 2011, at 08:50, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:
>
>
> A further comment. It seems that one of the points of disagreement is over
> how this text in the Change Proposal is to be interpreted:
>
> * H1 to H6 allowed roles: button, checkbox, link, menuitem,
> menuitemcheckbox, menuitemradio, option, presentation, radio,
> slider, spinbutton, scrollbar, tab or treeitem.
>
> This doesn't mention a default role, unlike the text for "h1 to h6 element
> that does have an hgroup ancestor". One could plausibly interpret this as:
>
> (a) Change h1-h6 to have no default role
> (b) Make no changes to default role for h1-h6
>
> From the test alone, it is not completely clear which was intended. From
> your statements, it seems that your intent was (b). And it seems that Ian
> agrees that (b) would have been a technically superior choice. Given this, I
> think it would be best to take interpretation (b). In particular, when I
> reviewed Ian's list originally at his request, this was the interpretation I
> assumed, as it seems more reasonable. While the chairs have not discussed
> this yet, I would personally encourage adopting interpretation (b).
>
> Regards,
> Maciej
>
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>
> Dear Chairs,
> Due to the HTML5 editors apparent unwillingness [7] to apply the edits as
> outlined in [6]
> I formally request this change [1] be reverted [2] per the issues that I
> cited [3], and ask I once again
> that the "set of edit instructions that state exactly what should change"
> [4] and accepted by Sam [5], that the HTMl5 editor specifically asked for be
> applied as is,
> and I further ask that there should be public discussion before any
> additional changes be made to this text.
>
>
>
> [1] <http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5980&to=5981>
> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5980&to=5981
> [2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0125.html>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0125.html
> [3] <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066#c33>
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066#c33
> [4] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0067.html>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0067.html
> [5] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0068.html>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0071.html
> [6] <http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/aria-changes.html>
> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/aria-changes.html
> [7] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0233.html>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0233.html
>
>
> --
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>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
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