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Re: HTML WG: ISSUE-120 Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology

From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:09:03 -0400
Message-ID: <4C9C86CF.9040803@intertwingly.net>
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
CC: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, nathan@webr3.org, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Unless this discussion is likely to result in bug reports or change 
proposals in the near future, I strongly suggest that it be taken off list.

- Sam Ruby

On 09/24/2010 04:02 AM, Julian Reschke wrote:
> On 24.09.2010 09:39, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
>> On 24 Sep 2010, at 08:25, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> On 24.09.2010 01:08, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>>> On 09/23/2010 06:21 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>>>> On 23.09.2010 22:04, Ian Hickson wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> what their position is on adding this to new features). IMHO there's
>>>>>> not really much point discussing features that browser vendors aren't
>>>>>> willing to implement.
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying that for this use case, browser vendors are more
>>>>> important like, for instance, search engines?
>>>>
>>>> Julian: can you convert this statement into one that points out a
>>>> specific feature of HTML5 that breaks, for example, search engines?
>>>
>>> No. It was just a reply to the claim that browsers are the only HTML
>>> consumers of importance.
>>
>> I don't see any such claim in the quoted text.
>
> "IMHO there's not really much point discussing features that browser
> vendors aren't willing to implement"
>
>> Do browsers /need/ to "the only HTML consumers of importance" for
>> their refusal to implement a particular syntax for metadata to make it
>> a non-starter? If we're going to bother to add metadata to documents,
>> don't we want browsers (as well as search engines) to be able to
>> extract and present that data to users? For example, if I was using a
>> citation vocabulary, I'd want people to be able to write browsers with
>> built-in features like Zotero:
>>
>> http://www.zotero.org/
>>
>> to extract my citations, or at least to be able to write browsers with
>> APIs that made it easier to write such add-ons.
>
> Nice example. Zotero *does* use prefix-based indirection to extract
> metadata, without specific browser support to do so. This proves that
> it's possible, and does get implemented despite the lack of "browser
> vendors interest".
>
>> Browsers are certainly not the only important consumer. But I think
>> they are a *critical* consumer.
>
> I don't believe they are *that* critical for this use case. Of course it
> would be nice if browsers made use of additional metadata at some point
> of time, but that doesn't mean it's necessary to deploy these kind of
> extensions.
>
> Best regards, Julian
>
Received on Friday, 24 September 2010 11:11:23 UTC

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