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Objectionism (Was: Change proposal for ISSUE-85)

From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:27:10 +0200
To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
Cc: public-html@w3.org
Message-ID: <20100616112710207810.c465f435@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Henri Sivonen, Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:22:29 +0300:
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 08:46, Jonas Sicking wrote:

> Indeed. I think <a role=button> should be reported to accessibility 
> APIs as a button.
> This is tied to the stylability of <a>. If <a> can be styled to look 
> like a button, there should be a mechanism for reporting it as a 
> button via AT, too.
> Furthermore, if styling it as a button is not a machine-checkable 
> conformance error, reporting it to AT as a button should not be a 
> machine-checkable conformance error, either, because flagging the AT 
> side but not the visual side as conforming would likely more often 
> have a negative effect than have the positive effect of authors 
> replacing <a> with <button> or <input type=button>. The particular 
> negative effects I can foresee are either making the Web application 
> less accessible (by omitting role altogether) or making things more 
> complex by adding role via JS.
> On the other hand, I think 
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9871 should be 
> WONTFIXed unless addEventListener is made not to have an effect on 
> <a>, but doing that would probably Break the Web.
> To cast the above as objections: I object to Hixie's no-change 
> proposal to ISSUE 85 and I object to fixing bugs 9871 and 9872.

I am positive towards *this* kind of "objectionism" (though "I 
disagree" would have been just as good to say as "I object"). It 
doesn't feel like it is against your nature either ... It isn't a 
threat about something you're gonna do *if* ... It is a here and now 
that help me understand what your position is and thus helps me to 
understand and pay attention to the rest of the message.
leif halvard silli
Received on Wednesday, 16 June 2010 09:27:46 UTC

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