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RE: aside and figure elements

From: Dean Leigh <dean.leigh@deanleigh.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:43:06 +0100
To: "'Laura Carlson'" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Cc: <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001b01cb06ef$000418d0$000c4a70$@leigh@deanleigh.co.uk>
Thank you for pointing that pointing that out Laura.
My post was really about using a technique such as for="" + id="", the name of the captioning element could then be something that doesn’t have legacy issues.

Regards,
Dean Leigh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-html-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Laura Carlson
> Sent: 08 June 2010 09:56
> To: Dean Leigh
> Cc: public-html@w3.org
> Subject: Re: aside and figure elements
> 
> Hi Dean,
> 
> Using <caption> element for a generalized captioning element seems to
> be to be a good idea but there are legacy parsing issues. Check:
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6543
> 
> Leif has previously suggested using <summary> or <subject>.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Laura
> 
> On 6/7/10, Dean Leigh <dean.leigh@deanleigh.co.uk> wrote:
> > If the main aim of <figure><figcaption> etc is to ensure that
> > images/video/tables/content blocks have captions then would a combination
> of
> > an ID and something like the for="" as used in form labels suffice?
> >
> > Example 1 - Image only:
> >
> > <img id="img100" alt="A dog on a bike.">
> > <caption for="img100">Proof that animals can ride bikes</caption>
> >
> > The author could then choose whether the alt text should match the
> caption
> > as I can find reasons why it would and wouldn’t.
> >
> > Example 2 - Image and Table:
> >
> > <aside id="aside100" >
> > <img alt="A dog on a bike.">
> > <table>
> > <tr><td>Dogs Bike</td><td>£50.00</td></tr>
> > <tr><td>Cats Bike</td><td>£40.00</td></tr>
> > <tr><td>Budgies Bike</td><td>£30.00</td></tr>
> > </table>
> > </aside>
> > <caption for="aside100">Our three best selling animal bikes</caption>
> >
> > (Possibly using JavaScript or CSS on rollover of the rows to show <img
> > alt="A cat on a bike.">, <img alt="A budgie on a bike.">)
> >
> > I have deliberately added this to an <aside> to show that even <asides>
> may
> > need captions.
> > Also as a real world example as this could easily be in the right hand
> > column of a page about cycling animals.
> > It could equally have been in the main copy as <article id="art100"> +
> > <caption for="art100">
> >
> > At one of my companies we have gone to a great deal of trouble to ensure
> > that our CMS maintains best practice without the less technical users
> being
> > aware (when adding images to the image library the "Friendly name"
> becomes
> > the alt text) but the more technical users have the option to over-ride
> this
> > in the advanced interface. An example would be <img alt=“Nice cat”>
> > appearing as <div class=”caption”>Nice cat</div> below the image
> > automatically with an Advanced option to edit the caption on or after
> adding
> > the image. We still have trouble getting people to use headings in the
> > correct order of course and this is my point, not all content providers
> are
> > technical and will struggle to use "unclearly defined" mark-up correctly.
> > Please note the difference between unclear and complex.
> > Please also note the Budgies Bikes go cheap!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dean Leigh
> 
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
Received on Tuesday, 8 June 2010 09:43:57 UTC

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