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Re: Proposal: Canvas accessibility and a media querries approach for alternative content (Action Item 6 in the HTML Accessibility Task Force)

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:36:16 -0600
To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
Cc: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, public-canvas-api@w3.org, public-canvas-api-request@w3.org, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
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Rich Schwerdtfeger
Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist

public-canvas-api-request@w3.org wrote on 01/20/2010 07:08:36 AM:

> Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> 
> Sent by: public-canvas-api-request@w3.org
> 
> 01/20/2010 07:08 AM
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> To
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> Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> 
> cc
> 
> Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, 
> public-canvas-api@w3.org, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
> 
> Subject
> 
> Re: Proposal: Canvas accessibility and a media querries approach for
> alternative content (Action Item 6 in the HTML Accessibility Task Force)
> 
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 15:01, Steven Faulkner wrote:
> 
> > OK, but I am trying to understand why one would do this?
> > if you include a link in the canvas sub dom so it will be 
> accessible to users, why would you duplicate the functionality using
> script instead of pointing the click event on the canvas to the link?
> 
> The subdom isn't being rendered to the visual medium, so presumably 
> it doesn't have CSS boxes generated for it, so it doesn't exist in a
> coordinate space where click hit testing could be performed against 
> boxes that correspond to DOM nodes.
> 
> > in the end if a single method is suitable for all users its a win 
> for all no?
> 
> Yeah. I'd expect SVG+ARIA to provide that. Can't put the <canvas> 
> cat back in the bag at this point, though.

I don't see any of this to be a problem. GUI systems associate drawing 
areas with objects all the time. The author simply needs to maintain an 
association between the accessible object's view in the canvas and the 
shadow DOM element. The shadow DOM is not expected to have any CSS boxes, 
etc. 

So, there will be time when the shadow DOM approach may be too hard or 
impractical and an alternative HTML solution is required. This is why we 
would need an alterative visual that can be rendered. In this case it may 
require the use of CSS to do the rendering. 

> 
> -- 
> Henri Sivonen
> hsivonen@iki.fi
> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
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Received on Friday, 22 January 2010 22:36:59 GMT

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