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Re: Change Proposals and Counter-Proposals (was Re: Issues 89 through 97)

From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:34:54 -0800
Cc: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Message-id: <88372812-CC2F-41D3-AC87-F9DAEAC49661@apple.com>
To: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Hi Tab & Shelley,

Can I ask you both to take a bit of time out from this thread? I think both your points are made, and things are getting a bit too contentious. If there are important new points to add, and you still care to make them after giving it some time, feel free to do so. Even if you feel the other person is attacking you, please let it go for now.

Thanks,
Maciej

On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just got through listing those who have put through issues and
>> change proposals recently, and noting that they have all spent a
>> considerable amount of time in this effort. Far more time, typically
>> than given by those writing counter-arguments. You insult all of us.
> 
> No I'm not.  The fact that issue raisers have to put more effort into
> their issue than the Working Group has to is a deliberate feature
> intended specifically to prevent the WG from being overwhelmed and
> shutting down.  This has always been the intention, and is a process
> followed by all successful groups.
> 
>>>> I would have to say, Tab, that you seem quick dismiss other people
>>>> concerns when they don't agree with yours. But disagreement with you,
>>>> is not a rationale.
>>> 
>>> I have not dismissed anyone's concerns off-hand.  I would appreciate
>>> it if you didn't make disparaging remarks without at least providing
>>> some evidence.  There is no call for you to attack me personally.
>>> 
>> 
>> Then you might want to consider using less than disparaging terms
>> about those who are initiating issues, especially since you have no
>> evidence to back your concerns.
> 
> Again, please point out anywhere I have been rude.  I am certain that
> I have spoken only in general and completely reasonable terms this
> entire conversation.  You are reading insult where none exists, and
> insulting me in turn.  Please stop.
> 
> ~TJ
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