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RE: HTML+RDFa, Microdata, and Canvas in HTML WG

From: Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:20:29 -0800
To: "'Tim Berners-Lee'" <timbl@w3.org>, "HTML WG" <public-html@w3.org>
Cc: "Philippe Le Hegaret" <plh@w3.org>, "Ralph Swick" <swick@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000001cab64f$9a1e0250$ce5a06f0$@org>
Thanks, Tim. I think this decision resolves the concerns I raised
about handling this work strictly within the current working group 
structure. I will be glad to see the documents published with a
clear "Status of This Document" with a summary of this Decision 
and a pointer to the Decision itself; it would seem that this
would also inform the reviewing community.

===========================
> It is important 
  > (a) that the design be modular; 
  > (b) that the specifications be kept modular and
  >  (c) that the communities of expertise of the respective fields
  > (graphics and data) be involved in the design process.

I am glad to see you emphasize these points, and I believe
bringing back these design principles into the future of
HTML are crucial.

> I am asking the domain lead  to annotate the charter in place 
> to make these points clearer to newcomers.  

I agree: the divergence of the written charter and the
actual work and process of the group has been misleading,
and making the actual work of the group explicit has been 
long overdue.

> I encourage the group to establish joint task forces to help ensure
that
> the needs of the larger community are met.

Thank you for acknowledging my request that the work on
the topics of embedded graphics and embedded data be
handled by focused sub-groups. Joint task forces with
HTML WG and groups specifically chartered to deal with
those topics are an appropriate way of resolving the
issue of "scope".

> I appreciate the continued work of the group and
> co-Chairs to ensure constructive inter and intra-group
> communication, and to make the HTML Working
> Group a forum conducive to participation.

I appreciate that too; I agree that as a general community
we will be better served with clear and honest communications as they
will
lead to a more collaborative process and hopefully, a swifter one.

Thanks,

Larry
--
http://larry.masinter.net


-----Original Message-----
From: public-html-request@w3.org On Behalf Of Tim Berners-Lee
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:47 AM
To: HTML WG
Cc: Philippe Le Hegaret; Ralph Swick
Subject: HTML+RDFa, Microdata, and Canvas in HTML WG

Some in the community have raised questions recently about whether
some work products of the HTML Working Group are within the scope
of the Group's charter. Specifically in question were the  HTML Canvas
2D API,
and the HTML Microdata and HTML+RDFa Working Drafts.

(A separate question, not to be confused, has been whether the work
should be in the HTML5 document. In these three cases, I was happy to
see the removal of the sections from the document, to make a more
modular set of specifications.  See also [1] for reasons for
modularity in specifications. )

The work of the group has grown since it was chartered, and the
charter document itself is no longer sufficiently explicit. (See
recent W3C blog post on this topic [2]).
This message clarifies what I consider to be within the scope of the
group.

I agree with the WG chairs that these items -- data and canvas -- are
reasonable areas of work for the group.  It is appropriate for the
group to publish documents in this area.
On the one hand, they elaborate areas touched on in HTML4.
On the other, these elaborations are much deeper than the features of
HTML4,
but also they form separate subsystems, and these subsystems have 
strong overlaps with other design areas.
It is important (a) that the design be modular; (b) that the
specifications be kept modular and (c) that the communities of
expertise of the respective fields (graphics and data) be involved in
the design process.

I am asking the domain lead  to annotate the charter in place to make
these points clearer to newcomers.  

I encourage the group to establish joint task forces to help ensure
that
the needs of the larger community are met. I appreciate
the continued work of the group and co-Chairs to ensure constructive
inter and intra-group communication, and to make the HTML Working
Group a forum conducive to participation.

[1] http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/01/modularity
[2] http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/02/working_group_publication_requ

Tim Berners-Lee
Director, W3C
Received on Thursday, 25 February 2010 19:20:56 UTC

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