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RE: Introducing the W3C HTML/XML Task Force

From: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:58:45 -0800 (PST)
To: "'Tab Atkins Jr.'" <jackalmage@gmail.com>, "'Norman Walsh'" <Norman.Walsh@marklogic.com>
Cc: "'Ian Hickson'" <ian@hixie.ch>, <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <025501cba704$497d0930$dc771b90$@edu>
Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Norman Walsh wrote:
> >
> > The short answer is that an issue was raised at the W3C Technical
> > Architecture Group, http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/67
> > summarized by TV Raman:
> >
> >  "Perhaps the biggest challenge that faces the W3C's technical work
> >  on the Web is the growing chasm between HTML and XML"
> >
> > The TAG decided to to form a task force to investigate this issue and
> > what possible solutions, if any, exist. I think the first thing the
> > task force must do is articulate the issue in more detail.
>
> Neither the issue nor your introductory message actually list the
> problem(s) to be solved.  They both state that there is a growing rift
> between HTML and XML, and then...?

Precisely!

It seems to me that the problem is *seen* as a growing chasm between HTML 
and XML - that there is a perception that this is happening and may continue 
to grow. Whether this perception is founded in reality or FUD seems to be 
one question which warrants further discussion and investigation, and worth 
pursuing.

Another question that comes to my mind is whether or not this is a good 
thing, a bad thing, or a neutral thing, and I personally am not sure of that 
either.

What does seem clear to many is that the current stack of NEWT (New Exciting 
Web Technologies - 
http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/meet-newt-new-exciting-web-technologies/), 
of which HTML5 is clearly a corner-stone, seems to be heavily focused on Web 
Applications, with the idea of "The Semantic Web" trailing off in the 
distance, at least in the minds of many (including mainstream media). Again, 
this may be a good thing or not, but has anybody actually bothered to ask 
those questions, and come up with answers based on fact, rather than simple 
assertions? Working in an environment such as mine, I *do* know that the 
more 'academic' pursuits of The Semantic Web is something that many smart 
people are focused on today: they normally don't get written about in 
Mashable or TechCrunch but that is not to me any real measure of importance 
or value.

If, as Ian asserts, HTML5 actually brings "the two... in fact closer than 
ever", then proof should be easy to produce and confirm that no problem 
exists. If the real desire however is to ensure that the two pursuits of Web 
Applications and the Semantic Web remain close enough together that they can 
exist inter-operably, then an exercise that undertakes a real examination to 
ensure that this goal is being met surely should be welcomed, and if indeed 
chasms (intended or otherwise) are discovered then we can act collectively 
to address those rifts before they become insurmountable.

I for one look forward to the results.

JF
Received on Wednesday, 29 December 2010 02:59:19 UTC

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