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suggestion for abolition of <hgroup>

From: Dean Leigh <dean.leigh@deanleigh.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:07:30 -0000
Message-ID: <1174F8ED82AF7048905B3241C81BF17B8AF547@HEMV1AUKER.he.local>
To: <public-html@w3.org>
I am writing from the perspective of:

1. Builder of HTML templates for Web CMS

2. Trainer of non-technical users of Web CMS

3. Advocate for transparency in web sites and relevant search results

 

I agree with abolition of <hgroup>

 

I see the issues with <hgroup> as part of a bigger set of issues.

 

<title>

***************

Problem 1

---------------

 

<title> is hidden allowing misleading SERPs

 

Example

 

<title>Second Hand BMWs</title>

<h1>Why buy a Second Hand BMW when you can get a loan for a new one from
us</h1>

 

Problem 2

-----------------

 

<h1> is only being used once as a page title removing the usefulness of
the full set of <h1> - <h6> as a hierarchy as intended.

 

Example

 

Currently in our CMS when a user creates a page and gives it a Title we
automatically create <title>A page </title> and <h1>A page</h1> This is
easy to understand for the CMS user and ensures great SEO consistency
and results for our clients sites.

 

Problem 3

-------------------

 

<title> is used as a Site Title as well as a Page Title (usually
separated by -)

 

Example

 

<title>All about Ants - What ants eat </title>

<h1> What ants eat </h1>

 

<title>All about Ants - Where ants live </title>

<h1> Where ants live</h1>

 

Solution

---------------

 

<meta name="site title" content=" All about Ants " />

<meta name="page title" content=" What ants eat" />

 

<title>Can the move to <body > with a rule of there can only be one.

 

This frees h1 to do  its real job and be used many time in a page which
is easily flexible enough to do away with hgroup.

 

Notes:

I would still recommend for CMS and non-technical users that <meta
name="page title"> and <title match> It would be up to Search providers
to determine reliance.

 

I have numerous use cases for my proposals but I feel this post is quite
long - please feel free to mail me directly for these.

 

Regards

Dean Leigh

 

 

 

 
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