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Re: Styling Controls

From: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 23:45:37 -0700
Message-ID: <t2u63df84f1004062345mcf4eb76dt88aa80cda18a00c7@mail.gmail.com>
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Cc: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>, John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
> Hi, Shelley-
>
> Shelley Powers wrote (on 4/7/10 2:05 AM):
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:00 AM, John Foliot<jfoliot@stanford.edu>  wrote:
>>
>>>  If the lack of styling ability on certain proposed elements is seen as a
>>>  significant issue, and the relevant parties are expressing interest in
>>>  working together to resolve these problems, then I see this as a very
>>> good
>>>  thing indeed. And if it was your Change Proposals that spurred on this
>>>  discussion, then thank you Shelley for moving the ball forward, even if
>>>  inadvertently.
>>
>> No, no, I really don't want credit for this. Maciej deserves all the
>> credit.
>
> Something about the way you say "credit" makes it sound suspiciously like
> "blame".
>
> In either case, I think I was the one to raise the styling of form controls,
> and the mechanism of using pseudo-elements, at least in this context... so
> I'll claim some of that credit/blame. :)

If credit/blame is being handed out, I think Mounir Lamouri deserves
some for the thread he started here:

http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-February/025190.html

Or maybe Andy Lyttle for the bug he filed here

https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21227

>>>  It will be interesting indeed to hear what the CSS WG has to say in this
>>>  matter, and whether any progress can be made here. I note that Maciej is
>>>  copying his thoughts to the www-style list for further discussion there,
>>>  so I look forward to seeing what comes next.
>>
>> Yes, I will be curious to see the CSS WG's reactions to this sudden
>> and intense desire to style form elements.
>
> I think it will be mixed, with some in favor and some opposed.  There are
> good reasons for and against it.
>
> I think the chief objection will be that the CSS WG is already overworked
> with what they have on their plate, which is another reason a joint task
> force might be a good idea... it could draw on interested parties from the
> HTML WG to do some of the tedious cataloging of possible pseudo-elements, to
> help the CSS WG out.
>
> (If you don't see any more posts from me, it's because Glazou murdered me
> for my role in this.)

I suspect that the fastest way forward is for browsers to play around
with different solutions here, which should hopefully make it easy to
see strengths and weaknesses with different solutions. At which point
the only thing that remains is to bikeshed about the names.

Blue!

/ Jonas
Received on Wednesday, 7 April 2010 06:46:30 GMT

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