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Re: Removal of other semantic elements

From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 19:51:11 -0500
Message-ID: <m2p643cc0271004041751p92d27d19ha678d881b444f85c@mail.gmail.com>
To: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Cc: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Laura Carlson
<laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Shelley,
>
>> My change proposals primarily responded from accessibility
>> perspective because that's how the HTML5 editor styled his rationales
>> for rejection--based purely on accessibility.
>
> Accessibility as rationale for existence of the interactive elements
> might be a red herring. Did the accessibility community help with the
> design of any of the interactive elements? Were they ever consulted?
> Have the elements been tested in AT?
>
>> Would it help if I edited the change proposal to put more of the
>> emphasis on custom UI libraries as compared to native elements?
>
> It might Shelley. It might even be bigger than that. Some items that I
> am wondering about with the interactive elements:
>
> What ever happened to the Zeldman type three-leggged stool approach to
> web standards? Separating structure, presentation, AND
> behavior...Where HTML is for structuring content. CSS is for
> presentation. JavaScript and the like are for behavior. This gets back
> to modularity and separate layers.
>
> What is the criteria for of interactive elements as a set? Have they
> been looked at holeisicaly and not piecemeal? Patrick made an astute
> comment on Bruce's blog:
>
> "personally, i don't like this because it's so strangely specific to
> one single effect. why not define another element for an accordion
> menu? and another one for a dropdown menu? or an image carousel?
> it seems arbitrary that the spec should have a baked-in effect like
> this little expando-thing...unless i'm missing the point
> completely..."
> http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/html5-details-element-built-in-and-bolt-on-accessibility/#comment-666275
>
> Best Regards,
> Laura
>

One more PS

I did want to mention, Laura, that I thought you made exceptionally
cognizant observations, and very good points. Especially the point you
made related to the change proposals, and accessibility.

Many thanks for them all.


> --
> Laura L. Carlson
>

Shelley
Received on Monday, 5 April 2010 00:51:45 UTC

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