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Re: ISSUE-96 Change Proposal

From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:28:36 -0600
Message-ID: <t2s643cc0271004010928g6880e2ddt7d46bc0409aec923@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Steven Faulkner
<faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> i agree that it is better for  accessibility to have native controls
> as the properties of these controls can be hooked up to accessibility
> APIs by the browser.
> In the case of the new HTML5 controls implemenetd in Opera there are a
> number of issues:
> 1. they do not expose any of their properties via an accessibility API.
> 2. their styles and formatting cannot be modified to suit user requirements.
> 3. programmatic focus and keyborad operability is limited or non-existent.
>
> Until such times that these conditions are met in browsers that
> implement native HTML5 form controls, then the use of javascript UI
> libraries that do, provide the above the more accessible choice.
>

I have to ask: what is wrong with ARIA?


> regards
> stevef
>

Shelley
> On 1 April 2010 15:41, Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In my opinion, this is a bad direction to take across the board.  Do
>>> we really want to disregard the strides we've made with JavaScript and
>>> CSS and start creating declarative elements? Especially in an
>>> environment that is not set up for declarative elements or animations?
>>
>> My impression is that yes, declarative elements are a good thing. I
>> think W3C has been a supporter of declarative markup languages for a
>> long time.
>>
>>> If we're 'allowing' people to come up with their own web designs, why
>>> not a progress bar that matches the web site, rather than the
>>> operating system? I personally don't want the browser companies and OS
>>> to dictate what my page looks like.
>>
>> Indeed, I think that in order for <meter> and <progress> to be popular
>> CSS will need to grow the ability to style them to web authors
>> content. Same thing with <input type=date> and some of the other new
>> form controls.
>>
>> We're already seeing this with scrollbars where sites are starting to
>> create much less accessible pages in order to hack together their own
>> scrollbars using piles of <divs> in order to get them to look the way
>> they want. I believe Apple has stepped up and proposed some extensions
>> to CSS to help with this situation.
>>
>> My point is that this isn't something that HTML should fix, but
>> something that needs to be fixed using CSS expansions.
>>
>> / Jonas
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG Europe
> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium
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