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Re: Design Principles

From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:59:53 +0200
To: "Leif Halvard Silli" <lhs@malform.no>
Cc: "HTML WG" <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.uuhyx3ub64w2qv@anne-van-kesterens-macbook.local>
On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:48:05 +0200, Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>  
wrote:
> Because, as I said, it is isn't useful to convince me about anything  
> that you tell me that you have looked at it from scratch. The "from  
> scratch" principle would in itself need to be defined, btw.

I don't really see how it's a principle and I'm not sure why you need to  
be convinced about it.


>> There's some disagreement over a few HTML4 features. By and large I  
>> think the group is in agreement over the other features. I haven't seen  
>> anything to the contrary anyway.
>
> Whether one can use @xmlns might be described as "one of few features",  
> of course ...

xmlns is not an HTML4 feature. There's certainly more disputes than just  
those that have some relation to HTML4.


>> The design principles do not really appear to help in these  
>> discussions, but I think in the latest iterations they have not really  
>> been used as verbatim either so they're not a huge problem either.
>
> I think the design principles should help us make decisions. If they  
> don't they have failed.

The goal was mostly to explain the design rationale to date. They're  
certainly not meant as rigid rules.


>> It certainly requires you to do something (figuring out what authors  
>> do), but that seems a vastly different thing from how the specification  
>> is being edited.
>
> It seems a bit pointless to discuss principles if it is only up to one  
> person to follow them, IMHO.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.


> And if the failing to agree on principles represents a danger by setting  
> a precedence that we are unable to agree about anything, then the same  
> can be said about how the editor operates.

I still don't see how that makes them principles.

And yeah, getting a large enough group to agree on anything is hard.  
Fortunately the decision policy this WG is using takes that into account.


-- 
Anne van Kesteren
http://annevankesteren.nl/
Received on Monday, 25 May 2009 18:00:45 UTC

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