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Re: Why I don't attend the weekly teleconference (Was: Input on the agenda)

From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:51:15 -0500
Message-ID: <643cc0270906231651q14d158d2lfbc2026324b15a7e@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: public-html@w3.org
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Ian Hickson<ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Shelley Powers wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If you're part of the team, get with the team. If not, let's end all
>> >> pretense that this group is doing anything effective [...]
>> >
>> > I don't understand what this has to do with meetings. Could you
>> > elaborate?
>>
>> When issues come up in the teleconferences, they're usually put on hold
>> because you're not there to provide either opinion or answer.
>
> Yes, that is another way in which teleconferences suck. They require
> synchronous participation from other people who may not be present, and
> when they're absent, the meeting fails.
>
>
>> And if you are part of the team, that means that you have to, sometimes,
>> participate in a manner that the team chooses, unless the choice is cost
>> or otherwise prohibitive.
>
> I have described how I believe teleconference meetings to be prohibitive.
>
>
>> > I have attended literally hundreds of W3C meetings, both
>> > teleconferences and face-to-face, hosted by dozens of chairmen
>> > including many who claimed that they were unusual and were able to
>> > keep meetings productive, and I have uniformly found them to be a
>> > waste of time.
>>
>> Then I believe it is in your best interest to work with the chairs of
>> this group to come up with an alternative, or a way to make the meetings
>> useful, rather than disrespect those who spend time and effort trying to
>> make these meetings work.
>
> We have an alternative that works fantastically. It's called e-mail.
>
>
>> OK, I hereby volunteer to be the editor of the specification related to
>> HTML Tables, and to the part of the specification supposedly addressing
>> issues of semantic metadata.
>>
>> I'm serious -- where do I sign up, and when can I get editing rights?
>
> You already have editing rights. Just start writing. You don't have to ask
> anyone's permission. There is plenty of precedent for this; when a spec of
> sufficient quality comes up that replaces a section of the HTML5 spec, I
> remove the text in HTML5 and instead point (if appropriate) to the new
> text. This has happened with XMLHttpRequest, the Selectors API, Window
> (which was later remerged in), the URL parsing and resolving sections, the
> Content Sniffing section, and for a number of other documents that I still
> edit (Web Socket API, Web Socket Protocol, Web Storage, Server-sent
> Events, and Web Workers).
>
>
>

Still setting all the rules, eh, Ian?

S
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