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Re: Auto-detect and encodings in HTML5

From: Andrzej Zydron <azydron@xml-intl.com>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:40:32 +0200
Message-ID: <4A2547F0.5060505@xml-intl.com>
To: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
CC: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@mit.edu>, Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "www-international@w3.org" <www-international@w3.org>
Hi Everyone,

I find Ira's suggestion the most convincing to date. I whole heartedly 
approve. No defaults - explicit required, UTF-8 mandated. Done and 
dusted. Otherwise we get back into the appalling situation that we have 
had to date.

Best Regards,

AZ

Ira McDonald wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com 
> <mailto:mjs@apple.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     <...snip...>
>
>     Agreed. I have no problem with authoring tools or servers
>     producing UTF-8 by default, as long as they explicitly flag it. In
>     fact, HTML tooling defaulting to UTF-8 would be great! But as I
>     understand it, the proposal on the table was to change the
>     behavior of HTML consumers, and that I would object to.
>
>     Regards,
>     Maciej
>
>
> I dislike ALL implicit defaults in computer interfaces - they fail and 
> are obscure.
>
> I suggest that claiming conformance to HTML5 means that you MUST always
> supply an explicit charset declaration on the Content-Type line - no 
> confusion
> at all for older browsers and content management systems.
>
> Tying ANY implicit charset default to DOCTYPE of HTML5 would be obscure
> and actually impair interoperability.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com <mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
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