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Re: PROPOSAL: Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5

From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:02:28 +0100
Message-ID: <55687cf80907191002v6517c485s953f139f5b8de55@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-xtech@w3.org>
ian wrote:
>I am still hopeful that the WAI will clearly identify
>accessibility functional requirements and provide rationale. Is there any
>chance the WAI could provide an ETA for such advice on this topic?

this email answers your question as to what is going on and ETA
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0562.html

I am unsure at this time what form the output of the work on canvas will
take.
It may well be that an alternative 'spec ready' version of the current
CANVAS API is produced, as this is what sam ruby has been encouraging people
to do.


regards
stevef



2009/7/19 Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>

> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Laura Carlson wrote:
> >
> > To that end, we propose that the HTML working group adopt the following
> > statement as an official procedure and publish it in HTML working group
> > Web space.
> >
> > Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5
> >
> > Procedure Overview:
> >
> > The HTML WG will look to the W3C WAI groups for guidance, listen to
> > their advice, and collaborate with them to reach mutually agreeable
> > accessibility solutions. Furthermore, collaboration will be promoted in
> > a pro-active manner, i.e., whenever possible, design features known or
> > foreseen to have an impact on accessibility will be explored and
> > discussed with the Protocols and Formats Working Group (PFWG) [2] prior
> > to decisions in order to ensure mutually beneficial resolution of
> > issues.
>
> Laura, in the interests of the collaboration you espouse, could you reply
> to the e-mail I wrote to you last month?
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jun/0669.html
>
>
> > Collaboration Framework:
> >
> > 1. Approach issues on the basis of the shared goal of making HTML 5
> > the best solution for everyone, including people with disabilities.
>
> This should mean working for accessibility as a whole, not working for
> specific features. For example, in the context of tables, it should mean
> focusing on making tables accessible, not focusing on the summary=""
> attribute to the exclusion of discussion of other solutions. (I have been
> informed that in fact the WAI groups are more interested in voting on
> whether summary="" is in or out than on voting on what accessibility
> solutions should be used to make tables accessible, for instance.)
>
> Can we get a commitment from members of the WAI to approach issues on the
> basis of the shared goal of making HTML 5 the best solution for everyone,
> including people with disabilities and people without disabilities?
>
>
> > 2. Work from concrete issues as to what in HTML 5 needs to be improved
> > by asking PFWG to clearly identify accessibility functional requirements
> > and provide rationale.
>
> I most recently tried to approach the WAI on the topic of <canvas>:
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2009Jun/0093.html
>
> I've yet to receive any concrete functional requirements suggestions for
> changes to the specification on this topic from the WAI (although I have
> received several suggestions from members of the HTMLWG who are not
> members of the WAI). I am still hopeful that the WAI will clearly identify
> accessibility functional requirements and provide rationale. Is there any
> chance the WAI could provide an ETA for such advice on this topic?
>
>
> > 3. Listen to their input, ask for clarification, and work together to
> > devise solutions to satisfy accessibility requirements.
>
> I have asked for clarifications, for example in June, regarding tables:
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jun/0173.html
>
> I received an official reply to the effect that my questions were not
> welcome because they were not from a group:
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0260.html
>
> ...and my reply to that, asking about which groups would qualify to get a
> reply, received no replies at all:
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0262.html
>
>
> > 4. Ask PFWG if proposed solutions meet accessibility requirements.
> >   * If they say no, ask what functionality is still needed and
> > continue the collaboration.
>
> As noted above, I did this with <canvas>, and received no concrete
> replies. (I received many thanks, but no technical replies.)
>
>
> I look forward to further collaborations with the WAI, and hope that
> concrete advice such as the advice you suggest that we ask for will be
> forthcoming.
>
> Cheers,
> --
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>
>


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with regards

Steve Faulkner
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Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

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