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Re: head@profile: another dropped attribute

From: Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:32:17 +0100
Message-ID: <498C5801.1000800@malform.no>
To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
CC: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Rob Sayre <rsayre@mozilla.com>, Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>

Henri Sivonen 2009-02-06 10.07:
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 08:31, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
>>> Henri said that <font> is out for ideological reasons. That was a
>>> claim about the non-WHATWG people, mostly. Then you offered the
>>> "alternative" description that WHATWG started from zero. That to me 
>>> is simply a confirmation of what Henri said - namely that WHATWG 
>>> represents the non-ideological voice.
>> I am pretty sure Henri was referring to Ian Hickson's ideology 
>> (specifically strong belief in separating presentation from content) 
>> when he referred to <font> being out for ideological reasons. I don't 
>> think he meant to insult non-WHATWG participants,

What I was after was not "who insulted whom", but (self-)reflexion 
on the "from zero" standpoint.

> Maciej's interpretation is what I meant. (However, I think in addition 
> to Hixie's own strong belief, there's a public relations component 
> catering to the strong belief of readers of A List Apart and affiliated 
> publications.)

Once again a few needless words about A List Apart. Please note 
that "Font tag considered harmful" has been a slogan of the 
authoring advice found on the W3 MarkUp front page since at least 
1999[1] until today[2]. (Probably that slogan has not had the same 
meaning all the time, though.)

> In the interest of being fair and balanced, I note that Hixie disagreed 
> with my assessment on IRC and said the non-conformance of <font> is 
> motivated by the Media Independence design priciple.

A fair point of him. I think, however, that there should be 
nothing wrong with <strong><font color=red >NB!</font></strong>.

[2] www.w3.org/MarkUp
leif halvard silli
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