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Re: Bug 8404 -- taking it to the lists

From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:53:46 -0600
Message-ID: <643cc0270912010653k5d4b0e18j84224fbfd7604a92@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you want to debate Tab, I find that telling a person to stop using
>> an argument as justification isn't effective. I can use an argument,
>> and you can provide a counter, and leave it to the reader to form
>> their own conclusion as to which is the superior argument.
> I am not attempting to debate.  This is not an opinion, or something
> where reasonable people can differ.  It is a plain fact that figures,
> in common usage, often contain code and tables (I'm certain I could
> find a decent number of examples of figures containing prose as well,
> perhaps of poetry being commented on).
> I am simply correcting a mistaken assertion that you have made at
> least twice, and am requesting that you stop making the assertion now
> that it has been proven to be false.  It is a requirement of rational
> debate that the debaters not purposely rely on false arguments.
>> We can put illustrative tables in figure, but there is no way to mark
>> the table as illustrative, and to suggest that the table not be parsed
>> into the DOM, or parsed by search engines. We don't have this ability
>> now, when we use tables for illustration contained within a div
>> element, true, but the purpose behind figure is, I believe, because
>> we're trying to improve the semantics of the markup. If this is true,
>> then the semantics must be extended across all levels of the web page,
>> and this includes the DOM.
> This talk of "not [parsing a table] into the DOM" is a red herring.
> There is no reason to not parse it in, even if it *is* purely
> illustrative and does not contain any vital data in and of itself.
> Maciej, in the bug, gave several reasons why one would want the
> content of even illustrative tables to show up properly in the page
> (searching, accessibility, etc.).
> ~TJ

I respect that your opinion differs from mine, Tab. But I will
continue to express my opinion.

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