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Re: ISSUE-48: UA-q-quotes - suggest closing on 2009-09-03

From: Martin Kliehm <martin.kliehm@namics.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:27:02 +0200
Message-ID: <4A96A5C6.2080303@namics.com>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
CC: "public-html@w3.org WG" <public-html@w3.org>, Shawn Medero <smedero@uw.edu>
Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> ISSUE-48: UA-q-quotes - Should user-agents generate quotes for the q 
> element
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/48
> 
> This issue raises two complaints: (a) the draft instructs authors to add 
> quotes to Q elements manually; and (b) the draft makes no clear 
> user-agent recommendation regarding blockquote. I believe both of these 
> issues are now addressed, and the interoperability issue with Q is 
> addressed. The rendering section now requires that user agents add 
> quotes to Q elements:
> 
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#punctuation-and-decorations
> 
> Since rendering is generally specified and BLOCKQUOTE doesn't require 
> adding quotes, it should be assumed UAs are expected not to add quotes, 
> as would be consistent with existing practice.
> 
> Thus, I believe the problems raised by this issue are solved in current 
> drafts. I suggest closing.

a) The current draft 
(http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-q-element) says:

Quotation punctuation (such as quotation marks) must not appear 
immediately before, after, or inside q elements; they will be inserted 
into the rendering by the user agent.

I think this could be phrased less ambiguous along the line of this:

Authors SHOULD not use quotation punctuation (such as quotation marks) 
immediately before, after, or inside q elements, because user agents 
MUST insert them into the rendering, unless the default rendering is 
overridden by CSS.

b) The current draft 
(http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-blockquote-element ) 
doesn't have any recommendations regarding the blockquote element. I'd 
suggest:

[...] Content inside a blockquote must be quoted from another source, 
whose address, if it has one, should be cited in the cite attribute. 
[NEW]User agents MUST NOT insert quotation punctuation (such as 
quotation marks) into the rendering.[/NEW]

I'd appreciate if any people who are more experienced than me would 
shape this text into something that is suited to go into a draft. When 
the current draft is reflecting some wording to that effect I wouldn't 
object closing Issue-48, but I think amending is necessary before that 
can be done.

Cheers,
   Martin
Received on Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:43:27 UTC

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