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Re: Current PFWG thinking on ARIA integration in host languages

From: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:10:48 -0400
Message-ID: <4A8C2408.2020709@w3.org>
To: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
CC: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Thanks for your questions. I can't answer them right away, as we need to
do a bit of research for some, and discuss some of the issues you raise.
The PFWG is planning on discussing these in our call next Monday, so we
should have answers after that. Michael

Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:53:54 +0200, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org> wrote:
>> Because authors don't always do as they're told, we have to define what
>> happens when authors don't respect that rule. In the case of host
>> language features that have the implicit semantic of an ARIA state or
>> property, the host language feature wins. Authors should not be using
>> ARIA states and properties in these cases, and are assumed to have paid
>> more attention to updating the host language feature than the ARIA
>> feature. However, in the case of roles, the ARIA feature wins, even for
>> weird situations.
>
> So in case a role is specified (and wins) I assume states and
> properties also "win" but they may not if the role is not specified?
>
> E.g. in order to report to AT that
>
>   <input type=checkbox checked aria-checked=false>
>
> is in fact not checked I would have to do
>
>   <input type=checkbox role=checkbox checked aria-checked=false>
>
> Is that correct?
>
>
>> This is because there are many use cases in which
>> authors need to repurpose elements with roles that we as specification
>> developers didn't necessarily account for. Since ARIA is intended to add
>> semantics particularly for these unusual situations, it is important
>> that ARIA roles be given precedence by the user agent.
>
> Would it be possible to list some of these use cases?
>
>
> Could you perhaps explain why the approach in
>
>   http://hsivonen.iki.fi/aria-html5-bis/
>
> e.g. having strong and weak semantics was not workable? I am
> personally in favor of that approach as it makes things align more
> closely with the native semantics of HTML elements.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>

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Michael Cooper
Web Accessibility Specialist
World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
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