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RE: [LIKELY JUNK]Re: title/alt attribut keyboard accessibility

From: Justin James <j_james@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:56:11 -0400
To: "'Schnabel, Stefan'" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>, "'David Poehlman'" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>, "'Laura Carlson'" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, "'HTML WG'" <public-html@w3.org>, "'Steve Faulkner'" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "'W3C WAI-XTECH'" <wai-xtech@w3.org>, 'aurélien levy' <aurelien.levy@free.fr>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-html-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Schnabel, Stefan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:37 AM
> To: David Poehlman; Laura Carlson; HTML WG; Steve Faulkner; W3C WAI-
> XTECH; aurélien levy
> Subject: RE: [LIKELY JUNK]Re: title/alt attribut keyboard accessibility
> 
> Well the issue for me is that there is an action (mouseover) for
> display of tooltip (title) in IE
> whereas the corresponding keyboard action for display of title is
> missing, that's all.
>
> You should design always with a keyboard alternative for any actions.
> That's the agnostic requirement.

No, the agnostic requirement is imagining a UA with no keyboard. And no screen or mouse either. HTML is a parsing definition that explains the "meanings" of particular items in the tree. How those items are handled are not its concern.

> But right, IE bug base would be a more appropriate location for this
> concern.

What base bug? If it is not defined in the HTML spec, how is it a "bug"? Sounds more like a "unfulfilled feature request" to me. :)

J.Ja
 
> - Stefan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Poehlman [mailto:david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com]
> Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 11:56
> To: Schnabel, Stefan; Laura Carlson; HTML WG; Steve Faulkner; W3C WAI-
> XTECH; aurélien levy
> Subject: Re: [LIKELY JUNK]Re: title/alt attribut keyboard accessibility
> 
> I'm not getting the distinction here.  What is the speciality of title
> that
> it should be singled out in this way and Why should it be done here
> rather
> than in aria or uaag?  What is important is that anything done be
> device
> agnostic and device type agnostic as well otherwise, we need a fallback
> cascade which might be difficult to speck.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
> To: "Laura Carlson" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>; "HTML WG"
> <public-html@w3.org>; "Steve Faulkner" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>; "W3C
> WAI-XTECH" <wai-xtech@w3.org>; "aurélien levy" <aurelien.levy@free.fr>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [LIKELY JUNK]Re: title/alt attribut keyboard accessibility
> 
> 
> We need a UA-specific hotkey for displaying the content of the title
> attribute
> in the same separate (yellow) popup window as for the mouseover
> operation.
> 
> HTML5 spec definitely should be more precise + complete here.
> 
> In Lynx the "title" content could be displayed e.g. in Lynx status area
> on
> request.
> 
> - Stefan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Laura Carlson
> Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 00:39
> To: HTML WG; Steve Faulkner; W3C WAI-XTECH; aurélien levy
> Subject: [LIKELY JUNK]Re: title/alt attribut keyboard accessibility
> 
> Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-
> xtech@w3.org>
> 
> Aurélien Levy wrote [1]:
> 
> >> Is it possible to have something in the spec to say that the way of
> >> rendering the content of the title/alt attribut must be non specific
> to
> >> a certain type of pointing device or is it to the UAAG spec to say
> >> something like that ?
> 
> Ian Hickson wrote [2]:
> 
> > Right now HTML5 doesn't say that user agents should do anything with
> this
> > information. The non-normative rendering section will probably
> suggest
> > current behaviour but hasn't been written yet. (Volunteer editors
> welcome;
> > see the e-mail from earlier today.)
> 
> Related: Steve Faulkner's June 6, 2008 bug report "User Agent display
> of title attribute content not defined":
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5807
> 
> Best Regards,
> Laura
> 
> [1]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
> html/2008Oct/thread.html#msg131
> [2]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
> html/2008Oct/thread.html#msg134
> 
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
Received on Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:57:08 GMT

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