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Re: a/@ping discussion (ISSUE-1 and ISSUE-2), was: An HTML language specification vs. a browser specification

From: Gavin Sharp <gavin@mozilla.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:04:03 -0800 (PST)
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Cc: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <7007364.86791227488643084.JavaMail.root@cm-mail01.mozilla.org>

----- "Julian Reschke" <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Ok, then use <form>. ping="" is as easy to trigger as a form
>> submission.
> 
> Not with scripting disabled, right? (yes, I use the FF noscript
> extension).

You recognize that that makes you part of a small minority of web users, right? That it is currently possible to disable JavaScript in most shipping browsers doesn't change the fact that a significant portion of the Web requires it, and that all major browsers have it enabled by default. There's no reason to believe that <a ping> will be any harder to disable for users than JavaScript currently is, so I'm not sure I see how this point is relevant.

>> We already have a way to create POST requests by simply navigating
>> a Web site. This isn't adding anything new as far as that goes.
> 
> That is incorrect, unless you count "pressing buttons" as web site 
> navigation.

Again, you're discounting the presence of scripting. I think it's fair to say that arguments that ignore the fact that scripting is an important and nearly universal part of the Web aren't going to be very effective.

Gavin
Received on Monday, 24 November 2008 01:13:51 UTC

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