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removeformat feedback

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:42:00 +0000 (UTC)
To: Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com>, Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo <amla70@gmail.com>, Mihai Sucan <mihai.sucan@gmail.com>
Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0808192239110.14795@hixie.dreamhostps.com>
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Simon Pieters wrote:
> I tested Opera and Mozilla, and they do different things, and both are 
> IMHO undesirable (e.g. Opera removes links, Mozilla removes bold but not 
> italic). Removeformat is, AIUI, intended to get rid of style information 
> without loosing "semantics" after pasting in a chunk of text from 
> another application. I would argue that <b> and <i> should not be 
> removed since they are generally tied to the content while font family 
> is generally not.

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo wrote:
> In FCKeditor the RemoveFormat command has been rewritten so everything 
> is done by code without relying on the browser due to those huge 
> differences that didn't really cleaned up the format.
> Now the developer can choose the elements and attributes that must be 
> removed, there's really no other way to do it because each developer 
> wants a different set of removed elements:
> // Only inline elements are valid.
> FCKConfig.RemoveFormatTags =
> 'b,big,code,del,dfn,em,font,i,ins,kbd,q,samp,small,span,strike,strong,sub,sup,tt,u,var'
> ;
> // Attributes that will be removed
> FCKConfig.RemoveAttributes =
> 'class,style,lang,width,height,align,hspace,valign' ;

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Mihai Sucan wrote:
> As Alfonso said, any mature WYSIWYG editor does not rely on 
> removeformat. Since then I have included my ReTidy cleaner. 
> Unfortunately, good solutions are not available within the UA. Perhaps I 
> should port my ReTidy to JavaScript.

Based on the above, I have continued to not include the removeformat 
command in HTML5.

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